EVE General Discussion

Ok, Mr. HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN :)

Your chosen name isnt my problem.
Its yours.

Im not vehement.
Im laughing.

GL hoping people take you seriously or taking the time/risk to ascertain your self-proclaimed deep commitment, loyalty and integrity.

Imo, "Trust in the HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN" doesnt exactly have that kind of ring to it...

7o

PS: Was this your nickname in the military?
I wonder why...?

Self proclaimed deep commitment, loyalty and integrity? I was explaining the reasoning behind the name where did that come from?

Im genuinely confused by that statement but even more so by your insinuations. You understa d that at the root of all these posts you've attacked my character, deduced my abilities and insinuated that I'm proclaiming I have some "deep commitment, loyalty and integrity"

The "PS: Was this your name in the military I wonder why" was a nice addition to all of that too.

It blows my mind at how effective this is and how you're demonstrating it's effectiveness. Not once have I attacked your character or insinuated anything about you, I have simply been telling you why I chose to name myself with this name.


You actually are displaying vehemence because of how strongly you feel about your stance on how you believe that what you are saying is right. Which by the way I haven't refuted at all.

ve·he·mence
ˈvēəməns/
noun
the display of strong feeling; passion.

Okay so like I said, this name was developed to draw out people that I would not want to associate with. People who would dismiss me based on a name to me are not worth my time since in my experience they have many other traits that I do not work well with. One trait is being displayed right now, and that is your lack of self awareness and your inability to separate disagreement or hear ideas that run counter to your way of thinking without dismissing them as useless. If you look back at these posts you have insulted my character, insinuated that I'm cognitively impaired, and that since my idea of how useful my name is runs counter to your beliefs, that this is quote "your chosen name isn't my problem, it's yours". Even your use of your Language shows how blind you are to your own xenophobia of other ideas. An idea or tool is not inherintly good or bad until you assign a label to it. You chose to call it a problem which broadcasts your feelings and lack of acceptance towards it

Prior to this conversation I had no idea that names Apparantly mean a lot more than I thought. I'm not embarrassed or afraid to tell you that through this I actually learned that more people here in EVE take more stock in a name than I previously anticipated. So thank you, I was wrong in my position initially but this exchange has shown me that clearly my notion of what was is not how it actually is.

Don't take this personally but I want to show you that I did not immediately dismiss or insult your idea. I did not attack your character, and I did not insult your military career. I listened, even though you were insulting me. I admitted as well that I was wrong, names mean more than what I thought previously.



I learned all of this about you from just how you reacted about my name

EDIT: So in summary you lack the objective lens that is required for critical thinking. Ideas not indigenously produced by you and/or run counter to your current beliefs are rejected and attacked. You also appeal to assassinating ones character and insulting them despite having zero provocation to further your discrediting of it as well as the individual presenting it. And the fact that all if this (unless you decide to edit it out at this point) is here, typed out. As soon as you saw my explanation of a foreign idea and not my acceptance of your idea you started with the character assassination and the insults of me somehow providing things I never said as well as insulting my military career. And I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely hope you somehow open your eyes and see as plainly as its displayed, all of the things I just described to you. But you did teach me some things, and I sincerely thank you for that

First create a new name for your char or start over. Then post your post in the correct forum helps allot. Watch some youtube vids its not to way how you play but get your started really fast. Get ASAP out of high sec. But before your going to auto jump i recommend to join red&blue if there are active. The will make you ready for combat. In about 3/6 months your going to join a better faction and know your stuff and a way around. Give them a proper farewell. And then eve is begone. Yes it take long but well. You are prepared at least a bit knowing how combat works and knowing a bit what you want!

And 'Sara Starbuck' is reasonable?



Get real, ffs

Im having trouble understanding what I blew exactly

I just came here to ask for some advice. I did it as politely as I could because I realise I'm new here. I feel more like a guest at this point than a part of the community. I defended a position I held regarding my name while getting slandered. I defended my decision to keep my name and even used evidence from this thread to defend my inferences on this individual. I did this as objectively and with as much civility as I could. I don't know EVE but I know how to treat things with an ounce of skepticism. I'm having trouble distinguishing whether the name thing is a legitimate issue that will never let me progress beyond a certain point or if it's something that people are blowing out of proportion. To be honest if the glass ceiling for perturbed names exists and is so detrimental to the main layer and social aspect of the game then why would I even want to associate with people that are triggered so easily and so ferociously by a guy named HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPINHERP. I know the EVE community isn't monolithic in its attitudes towards anything except I'm assuming the continued success of this game but a lot of what I've seen so far has been pretty toxic if not downright hostile to my name. Toxicity aside I actually know so many toxic individuals that if you still showed them evidence and reasoning they can still process information that may run counter to their beliefs as adeptly as people here seem to want to shut it out

The whole point of my name is to root out people that are, in my opinion may, have a poor grasp on social interaction, social norms, thinking objectively about ideas they may or may not initially agree with. I'm sure you've all met some people in real life that you've had to endure that shared a few of those traits I shared. I am just worried I guess because if the majority of people truly believe that having a name like this would literally lock you out if some of the games content, if they're right then this game would be full of individuals with aspects I just described, and honestly having to change one's name to fit into a meta game that metastasized from behavior one could call anti-social at best and borderline irrational at its worst seems just so messed up just on the principle of it alone. It makes me wonder what else this game can strong arm other decisions you may or may not want to make in this game

The fact that youre trying so hard to alienate members of our community in order to make yourself seem superior is probably why you feel like a guest, mate. Theres been some advice here but you choose to focus on one nerd thats said something about your name.

As someone else pointed out about "shitting on your own doorstep", youve painted a target on yourself as someone that is easily annoyed. GL in eve, friend. At this point Id recommend a name change myself. Not because its stupid, but because people already think youre an idiot and youre only a... couple? weeks? into the game and might even take this post as reason to mess with you ingame.

And as to what you blew, people in EVE shower newbros that are willing to learn and dont have a crap attitude like yours with isk and advice. Youre no longer adorable, youre as bittervet as the rest of us now.


EDIT: Changed days to weeks. Also edits to some thoughts.

Well OP. You have succeeded in your stated purpose of challenging people with your chosen name :) GJ
If you really are new to EVE, you will find it a mixed bag ranging from completely silly, to those that take themselves so seriously that it circles back around to silly.

There were a few good points in the start of this post by others trying to help you with links and resources that I read, answering the meat of your post.
However as time went on you really let others (and yourself, tbh) derail the entire point of the thread until it was just you defending/explaining your name.

If I could possibly interject here a bit - If you are going to tout such a ridiculous name on purpose (and you must admit, it IS ridiculous) then wear it like a badge. Don't bother defending it. You stated your purpose in choosing that name, and stick to that purpose with it. It makes people call themselves out for who they are by their reaction to it. Gauge that reaction and move on.
In general, in life, and especially with this game follow this advice: "Do not be easily trolled." As it only attracts more trolling.

Also, Welcome to EVE :)
Enjoy your stay. There are cookies in the back, but you have to provide your own milk for some reason. And nobody has used the coffee pot in ages, I don't know why, but I suspect it has something to do with the growling sound that comes from the cupboard just above it when anyone approaches.

Fly Safe! o7

This is literally in the second bit of advice you were given at the start of all this mate.

We are all having a good laugh right now.

New player trying to take it all in?

You're ambitious... But i hope you take every inch....

Good luck!

Hostility is the default position in EVE. Even people that are "nice" to you because you're new are probably going to actively **** you over before "nicely" explaining what you did wrong and how you can improve. If they're REALLY nice they might give back some of what they shot or swindled out of you after you'd had time to mentally and emotionally absorb the object lesson they have given you.

It's a form of tough love. People are generally tolerant of new players in EVE, but people are also aware that 'learn by doing' is the only successful form of getting anywhere in as complex a game as this one is. They want to **** you over so that you can make better decisions later when you're actually worth ******* over.

If there's one thing that's going to engender hostility from another EVE player, its trying to make some point about being morally or intellectually superior in metrics that aren't directly related to EVE itself.

Intellectual superiority where it isn't directly and practically applicable to playing EVE is not a quality highly valued by other players. And we have some VERY smart people playing EVE. People I highly respect for the work they do in reality. People I would also not hesitate to murder just because they happen to be in something murderable that might make me a few million ISK if given the opportunity. And that's not even generally an act of war in EVE between neutral parties. That's just Tuesday.

Moral superiority is an almost laughable concept in a game that directly encourages the economics of distrust, revenge, and generally ******* over your fellow man as expected rather than abberant behavior. A "legal" target in EVE is also generally considered a "moral" one. The reasons that prevent violent conflict are generally more about economics than morality.

Divorce yourself from the idea that the person correlates with the EVE persona. EVE is intentionally a rather dystopian thing that actively encourages the imbalances and excesses of the monied class and the use of violence as the most expident way to solve virtually any problem. Most people playing EVE are not remotely the same people as the personas they inhabit for the purposes of surviving in EVE.

If you're looking to get a handle on EVE, I suggest you start by realizing that in its context you aren't really in a position to test or evaluate other people. There are many organizations and players willing to help, but when you approach them with some holier than thou attitude they're going to be immediately less willing to help you.