Ships & Modules

oh also... being I'll be doing this long term I also would consider implanting the transporting character for more agility or armor or whatever else would make this operation have the highest probability of success.



so probably warp speed or agility..... leaning toward agility though so nomads. but again, unsure so advice would be nice.

Ill be moving a lot.... once i get my alts set up and finish training ill go through 756m3 per hour so 18144 a day so 544k or so a month

But as i said it will be high value... i think i figured the 60k i could fit into the dst was close to 2bill isk

I cant afford the whole month up front but i was thinkin a few days, cash in then add a day then cashh in till i could afford to do the whole month up front.

But anyway you get the idea, so considering the value per m3 a freighter and orca would be inviting a gank wouldnt it

Cargo expanders and safety do not fit in the same sentence (or fit).

Im not going to give you advice on this till you delete that notion from your OP.

Confirming that casual bankers are dissuaded by serious beatings :D

Keep thinking this way and you will become the gankers favorite target especially if you are hauling high value cargo.
Even in high sec the gankers can go through a freighter in less than 20 seconds and most of them if fit properly are well above 150,000 EHP.

There is nothing in high sec that cannot be ganked, what keeps you off the target list is carefully controlling the value of your cargo versus the cost to the gankers in lost ships. When trying to work this out in your head remember that they are building the ships and modules they loose themselves, usually they do not by them off the markets.

Yeah but your not trying to out tank the Gankers, we know you can't.

You just have to out tank the dumbass next to you with his life in the back of his expanded freighter .

An active piloted DST is a lot smaller, a lot faster, and can mjd away if you're quick.
Sure you can be caught and popped but the harder you make it the more you're offsetting the value of your cargo.

Hmmmmm... you may want to consider saving up for a Jump Freighter then (provided you can rope in a friend to light a cyno or two one day of the month)

Yes, yes... the cost for such a ship is high... but you would be able to move all your goods in one go and bypass many "risky" systems.
The catch, as I mentioned before, is that a jump drive will only be able to "land" the ship in a low-sec or null-sec system.

What many Jump Freighter pilots do is jump to station in a low-sec system bordering high-sec, then warp to the high-sec gate and carry on as normal to the trade hub.



In the interim, I would suggest getting an Orca as it would have the cargo capacity (for once a week runs) and the tank you would need to get through high-sec with relatively low risk of being molested.


Tank is also a consideration.

As I mentioned before, a tank on an Orca would be around 300,000 to 400,000 effective hitpoints (more if you overtank it).
On a Freighter that has been fitted with Reinforced bulkheads you will averaging around 400,000 to 450,000 hitpoints (more if you use implants to boost the HP values of the ship).

To gank through that (under ideal circumstances**) would require...

- 50 to 67 Catalysts (Destroyers) or 23 to 30 Talos (Battlecruisers) to kill the Orca
- 67 to 75 Catalysts (Destroyers) or 30 to 34 Talos (Battlecruisers) to kill the Freighter


I don't know about you, but that is A LOT of manpower to bring one person down.


** "ideal circumstances" = being in a 0.5 system (15 second CONCORD response time) and applying damage perfectly (not of range, good damage type selection, no tracking difficulties).

definitely want a webbing alt for a high value orcha.

granted though you can get an obscene tank on one of those now, like upwards of 500k ehp obscene.

Cargo expanders do not increase the Fleet Hanger capacity. Don't bother with them on a DST.

All DSTs get a 100% overheat bonus to active resists, local repair, and AB/MWD. This can massively increase your tanking, but requires your attention (active is the appropriate term). I typically fly shield DSTs, but the same application should work for armor too. Enough buffer to survive alpha attacks, and high resists to survive dps attacks. Overheat if you see blasters incoming!

EHP is 137k omni (250k with heat)
I use the Dark Blood modules because they are cheap and save alot of CPU.

[Impel, Test]

Federation Navy 800mm Steel Plates
Dark Blood Armor Thermal Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Burst Jammer II

Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

if youre doing in excess of 30b PI a month but using a hauling service to transport it to hisec would use up your profits, you are doing something very wrong