EVE General Discussion

A continuation of my earlier thought about ship class-based PVP sites: that would limit alphas to lower level sites which could be a linear incentive. Linear as opposed to realizing either too much or not enough improvement for going Omega.

The game also already has this. It's called Faction Warfare.

The AI behind Drifter Incursions was broken beyond repair and CCP removed them once it was obvious that they would never work as intended.

Boiling it down, I see 3 options to improving "entertainment" in PvE:

1) Adding minigames to currently passive PvE:
Such as mining, PI, research and production.Perhaps even to station trading.
These minigames dont necessarily need to supplant the existing passive system, but can exist parallel to them as an alternative way to achieve the same ends, or improve the result (at greater risk, but potentially greater reward)

(NB: Additionally, EVE, remarkably, currently lacks a mobile device app game, which is a huge and lucrative market. I think this is a serious oversight. There is so much potential for creating a completely new profession, with EVE integration, for players to play on their smart phones/tablet whilst they cant play EVE proper on the move, at work, sitting alone at the back of a bar etc).

2) Introducing randomized risk to PvE:
To make encounters more unpredictable. This is tough to balance. Vets with huge SP base and wide ship skills will be able to adapt, but newer players will be frustrated when a DED or Mission they are running suddenly becomes unfinishable in their hull options (plus potentially blowing them up). Forced RNG like this is usually unpopular. Perhaps best implemented in high level content such as 10/10 DEDs and Incursions, where vets have a chance/capacity to adapt/respond to the RNG.

3) Introducing more PvP to PvE activities:
Not necessarily as ship destruction, but nonetheless as competition/interaction (whether as cooperative or competition) between players. This is the most difficult of all to implement, cos it needs some seriously creative and lateral thinking (a) to innovate and conceive of how to do it b) to mitigate exploitation/abuse), but has the greatest potential.

These constitute more of a paradigm shift in design philosophy, in how PvE currently is often a largely passive and noncompetitive/interactive activity

As an example, planetary based competition in PI, or even re-implementing planetary bombardment of other players planetary assets. This ties into point 1), as improving the PI minigame.

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The problem is that what constitutes "fun" and "entertaining" is so subjective.

However I would argue that following the three directions above, make PvE more dynamic, competetive, varied, involving/non-passive, and thus more entertaining, atleast in aggregate.

Attacking a DED-Runner with several t3 ships und several logi is called outsmarting people?
It's ok and fine to do so, but "outsmart" is something else in my opinion.

You made up the extra T3 and several Logi there to make your imaginary point sound more legitimate. It's famously called a "straw man" argument.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't make a good enough plan. Winning has absolutely nothing to do with fair fights. The DED runner wasn't skilled enough to not get blown up so yes categorically he was outsmarted, regardless how many other "big nasty peeveepee'ers" he chose to bring with him.

Suck it up

Additionally, if you're running DEDs solo, and without support, in an environment where this can happen, then it's probably not all that hard to outsmart you in the first place.

you need to be cautious to survive in ded sites in low.
and no, that argument isn't made up - it's a usual occurence in low. usually you see them way before coming to the site with the whole gang. so you can just leave.

itelligent/smart would be: come with one ship, heavily tanked. try to lure the ded-runner to engage you and then log in your alts. Some are quite skilled at doing this.
But this strategy has a risk: IF the tanked ship can't hold it out long enough you lose a ship. Which is why only very few try this. Or they use tengus able to tank 2k dps.

Firstly I personally would not consider any of those to be PVE as i've always referred to them as both industry and trading.

a mini game on mining would be good cos its boring as f.... but people still love it for some reason and minerals are needed as the hauler spawns dont drop enough minerals to cover whats required to build the ships and everything else in eve.

a mini game on research and production might be good if they cut down the time it takes to do those jobs at a set percentage based on how well the player does.

a mini game on station trading however would be bad unless it starts based on players who do the 0.01 isk game :P



Eve doesnt have any apps themselves but there are a few player made apps out there that tie into the system and gives you information.



When I tried to get PVE changed a while ago this was one of the main factors I wanted to see introduced especially on missions. lvl 1,2,3 missions are ok i guess but for level 4 missions + it should force players to think for themselves and not rely on mission guides, though i do realize that is difficult for some especially when they dont even know how to use something so simple as google....

you did not address any of his objections in your post.

Do you see no problem here?