Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Stop making excuses, start taking responsibility.

Adapt, accept it or quit. Those are your options. Whining while doing nothing isn't going to help.

In general EVE isn't that different from any other game or even RL. Recruiting takes effort on both sides before an invitation can be sent and accepted. Without this effort invested into the process of getting acquainted with each other, the risk of failure is pretty high.

Obviously there are some exceptions in EVE, due to the nature of the game . But even then, it's the responsibility of either side to do their job. This includes informing oneself beforehand by any means available.

So essentially with this game you give a new player crappy gear, no skills and a manual the size of an encyclopedia, and drop them in the middle of the Syrian city of Aleppo with a dozen different warring factions and tell them to have fun and if they die it's their own problem... and expect this game to attract new players? This is why they had to introduce the F2P option, however limited and ultimately why it won't make much of a difference. A couple hundred greifers who can't pvp with anyone who can actually fight back are costing CCP money and if you don't believe me, try talking to corps who are wardec'd by these blanket merc corps, ask them how many people are either quitting the corp or just not playing anymore after they get dec'd x3 in a month by the same merc corp. Or 4 at once because overwhelming firepower on noob corps is a surefire way to grief people out of the game. Oh sorry it's just pvp... because is a pvp game and raping noobs is encouraged.

Honestly I don't even know why I bother arguing with you over this every couple weeks. It's obvious you really don't care about the longevity or quality of the game as long as you get a couple worthless venture kills on your killboard right?

Most of the mining material he confiscated was saved from a miserable existance. People fitting small shield boosters to a procurer or no tank at all deserve to go boom just for the shitfit.

Deeeerp, ****ty reference to a genuine humanitarian crisis doesn't make your point, just detracts from the conversation in general.

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NPC corps have 100% immunity to war's for a reason.
That being exactly what we are discussing.

Yeah, apparently I have one of those 'real life' things, too. It can get in the way of playing. But just requires getting priorities right. Can't RL, gotta log in.

And what you say here is a different issue. Newest player doesn't listen to helpful advice from new corp, becomes killboard statistic, maybe even gets bollocking from corp for being stupid enough to add a t1 hauler to the war killboard. So they'll learn.

But what OP says is corp can't do a thing. Handful of players ruin it for hundreds of new players. Which is crap. I was in lowsec newbro friendly corp when I started. We got wardecced by high sec 'griefer' corps. So we learned to pay attention, to not go to trade hub, to take a few simple precautions, to be a little bit patient. e.g. Fly into forge system but a lot of jumps from Jita, buy stuff, make courier contract to experienced players in corp, who unlike the OP were actually performing leadership functions, and it'd magically appear ready to use in low through the magic of their non-wardecced alts hauling the stuff.

One of my first fond memories in game is being a new player, and helping one of those older players get a JF from Jita to low sec home, from under the nose of war targets on Jita undock. Was fun.

Wars might have been a PITA, and restricted us, but it was also a chance to learn some stuff, get involved on comms, take pride in giving them not one killmail and have them give up and pick an easier target.



Even if it is the case that wardecs are a 'cancer eating this game', the solution would be to actually come up with a solution, and not the OP's idea to make every corp immune to wardecs for one small 5-weekly payment to concord.



No argument from me.

But the NPE and the career agents emphasise much of the stuff that makes eve different. They deliberately make you lose 3 ships to get the idea that losing stuff is permanent. They make a point of showing you shooting rocks, shooting ships, building stuff, hauling stuff, scanning stuff, hacking stuff.

So I think it'd be good if those tutorials also had a brief overview, introduction to corps, pointed to the recruitment forum. How you must be in a corp, always. That there are NPC and player versions. That there are consequences to the corp you are in, unlike most games. No doubt plenty of players will just click straight through it. The most switched-on players won't need it. But it might prompt the 60th-90th percentile of switched-on players to go off and inform themselves, because they didn't know this was a topic to inform themselves on.

I just got done with a war against a mostly alpha corp called Honk Squad. I wardecced them with two people in corp when I saw them venturing into lowsec without a clue. They had some vets accompany them - before the dec, one of these vets came to defend their mining fleet (I was attacking) with a Brutix, and it was a bad Brutix. I gave him a new fit after I killed them, and then I wardecced them, knowing that 1. they would bring fights, and 2. they needed help.

Over the course of a week, we had a few good fights in highsec, and talked to those involved, each time giving them advice on how to improve. They were having fun, fighting us, so much so that one day, Brutal Wyrm and I were sitting in our lowsec, spinning ships in station, when all of a sudden, four wartargets appeared in local.

Then the rest of them. Sixteen in total, against two of use, with three battlecruisers, and the rest were in frigates. Brutal and I took a Deimos and Hyperion to fight them. IT WAS AMAZING! One of the best fights I've ever had in the game.

Now, Brutal and I hang out with Honk Squad and its members in a couple of public chats. They are blue to us, and we are blue to them. They have become a client, which means anyone that decs them will now have to face an assistance from us. We are going to teach them how to operate more efficiently, and generally help Honk Squads vets improve the overall experience for their alphas. Despite being mostly newbros mining in ventures, many of them have expressed an interest in being able to PVP effectively. And by many, I mean all of them.

See, you think newbros need to be a protected species, but that's where you're wrong. When a player is new, they haven't yet been poisoned by the carebear nonsense your OP is espousing. War, PVP, ganking, all these things can teach, and I know this because these are the ways in which I learned to play the game. It's not the newbros complaining about wars, it's the older players who've sat in highsec npc corps for most of their miserable EVE experience and haven't learned much about the game at all.

Ok apparently I'm the minority here, I just get tired of every corp I join falling apart and all my friends quitting.

Sorry, but no. This isn't Black Desert, it's EVE Online. Every corp is deccable because every corp can have an effect on the game, which means we should be able to have an effect on them. This is an entirely player-driven game.

stop joining glorified punching bags then.