Ships & Modules

PL even made Mallers work.

Anyway - I certainly dislike Drakes, but I don't really want to see them nerfed - the guy may be sitting in an OP ship, but then he has to suffer the embarassment to be seen in a Drake - that's enough of a punishment for me.

The new Drake wont obselete the Cerb any more than the Tengu already has. The Cerb is still supreme in it's niches of really long range DPS and also AML Frigate killer. Admittedly limited niches, but they still belong to the Cerb for now

If shooting missiles at 200km and then waiting 2 days for them to hit was a niché, the Raven would be a useful PVP ship.


Frigate killer is a role dozens of ships can fill - a lot of them significantly cheaper than a Cerberus.

I agree more or less with your second point, the NH's grid is it's own problem more so than the drake. However, I don't understand the Cara/N/Cerb supposition. I don't buy that the drake is just sooo good that the cerb and nacal are pushed out by it. I think the issue is precisely that the latter are just not filling a desirable role or filling it efficiently. The nacal is a good anti-frigate platform, sure, but there are many other, cheaper, means of filling that role. The cerb's niche is almost completely nonsensical.

Honestly, I think all three ships obsolete themselves, just in different ways.

Why would anyone use the Eagle over the Naga?

Paint-chipping DPS at extreme range wasn't something that anyone cared about even before the Naga with it's useful DPS at extreme range appeared. IMO the Eagle should be completely repurposed. As I said before, I'd like it to be the Caldari speed ship. We should get at least one.

Heh, Heretics is putting together a Tier 1 navy cruiser fleet sometime soon.

-Liang

It was a doable l4 mission runner. Slow but steady. Without resist bonus you can forget EM/Th missions and probably a lot of the others too. But who cares about beggining missioners anyway ? It is far more important to balance the game for blob warfare.

I think most of the complaints are from people who use drakes for lvl 4 missions.
But imo, it's a BC and shouldn't do lvl 4 missions at all, and the new RoF bonus would make it a MUCH better lvl 3 missioner due to increased dps and selectable damage types.

This is a flawed argument in several ways.
1. The fact that the Drake is good with such ridiculously low skills compared to the other BCs is actually a major red flag of an overpowered ship, not a good thing.
2. Bar new players from being capable and wanted? What game are you playing? Tacklers are always useful, and ECM isn't exactly hard to train for. There, I just gave you two roles new players can easily fill, and neither of those take "half a year" to train for.
3. The fact it happens to be a (too much so) newbie friendly ship right now comes second to the fact that the Drake is out of balance, and needs to be brought back in line. Sure it might suck for them for a little while, but it'll be very good for the game on the whole.
4. It's actually the uses higher SP players are putting it to that's far more of a problem than what some newbie does.



What a load of crap. "Newbie ship" is not a role. You seem to think that the Drake immediately stops being useful once the pilot gains a few SP - no, actually, it's quite the opposite. In the hands of someone with higher SP the Drake goes from "good" to "hilariously OP".


Oh look, baseless accusations. Did you run out of ways to make yourself look like an idiot already?


The Drake is a horrible level 4 runner. The only people who use it as such are the ones who haven't figured out yet that there's a huge difference between being able to complete level 4s, and being able to do them remotely efficiently.


You really don't know much about missiles, do you?

This +1


If you're going to look at the drake, make sure, you look at the Caldari race as a whole.