EVE General Discussion

you can put warp disruption bobble and forget about it (i mean 0.0 just in case).
But still - it will work (catch ships) for ages until someone kills it.
You really believe that your comparison works?


take a look at ECM. No damage inflicted. You just cannot lock objects.
take a look at warp scrambler/disruptor. No damage still.
take a look at sensor and tracking disruptors - no damage again?
Is damage mandatory for aggression?


in other words you haven't read path first 5 words. Ok. Especially for you i make it bolden. You don't need to read it all, just bolden part. It's easy!


It does not matter because we have tracking disruptors and sensor disruptors. Non of these modules really "interferes with the operation of ship function" (you still can use guns and lock objects). But they make it that these operations are not possible or too slow. Like bumping.

Besides Herzog using some of his wizard magic, how will the game know the differencee between an accidental collision on or around an undock or stargate vs me in a bump mach pushing you 250km+ off of a gate? You cannot tie bumping to any kind of agression timer for this very reason.

Btw herzog I still want answers to the questions I had on the previous page.

Ultimately if you think about it then all this will self-balance. If goods don't get to where they need to then parts will not be built and prices will rise.

One way freighter pilots could ensure their safety is by becoming one of the strongest military forces in the game for w/e area they mostly travel. Once a week they can pick a target, one of the gankers corps, and go after it as a freighter pilot alliance.

There is no in-between solution it's either sustaining neutrality and remaining separate while accepting the risk and loss. Or throw away neutrality for momentary supremacy to dictate your rules to the masses. The goal, of course, is to deter actions at least from those who have assets to lose.

The only way neutrality could be maintained is if you convinced your pilots to create an alt account to execute the attacks as a single corp. This way ppl being attacked didn't know which major groups were involved only that it was the result of freighter ganking.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you, I might pick you brains at some point about your views on hisec hubs, I am interested to hear what you think and why.

I am not bothered about saving freighters from their own mistakes, for my part I find the ease of ganking freighters due to bumping against the ethos of Eve, these gankers can stack up a load of ships and just blap blap blap and that's it, cash in the bank and boring stale gameplay, no real effort, Eve on easy so to speak...

If there was no bumping as there is now the white knuckle ride of a freighter pilot seeing them go flashy red and run for it, or a ganker fleet chasing a freighter to kill it as their criminal timers ended and they want to get it before it can get to Jita and then people pick them off on the way, talk about creating more fun content, nope not at this point because of totally safe Mr Bumper. It creates stale play and that is why I say bumping sucks...

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To: Freighter Gankers

As for you Gankers, go ahead and keep blowing up all those people who auto pilot, great stuff they deserve it, its the easy time you have on the others that is the issue. You gankers need to HTFU and play the game, you have already earned my contempt for the freighter wreck EHP thing, your enemy starts blowing up freighter wrecks, get it changed booo hooo, and now we have people saying if you stop bumping freighter ganking will end, well not really all those AP freighters will still die and you lot should be able to up your game to kill stuff that is piloted, you just have to work for it properly, scares you a bit doesn't it?

Another reason why you hate the idea, yep faction police, their negative security status is now an issue, the freighter pilot can really cause them faction police issues by wait for it, playing the de-cloak timers, that -10 status has a consequence in that passerby players can go look a -10 in a Talos fun times...., it cuts down your options, makes cat and mouse stuff now fun for both sides, you hate that don't you? As that target freighter comes to the gate, you are there with a gank fleet, the freighter is at the gate, does he jump yes or no, how long can he hold and so on. There are choices and consequences in all of this.

So let us see if those consequences that mean nothing at this point mean something, that is what scares you lot!

Of course I think that faction police at that point should have random timers etc., and have some way to disupt them, the new NPC gameplay could be part of this, gets interesting doesn't it and is not some assembly line ganking setup like it is now.

And that is what my view is, none of this rubbish you keep projecting on me, suck it up!

Your whole opinion and post is trash. I do love the up close look you give us into the mind of a ganker and what they are afraid of.

Positive sec ganking is a thing. What now? Gankers and "content creators" adapt and learn different ways to manipulate game mechanics in their favor all the time, while kids like you are stuck thumb in mouth.

They do have consequences, it's just people like you refuse to use them.

Good luck stopping interceptors, cloaking ships, and even people who know how to use a MWD to get into warp faster....not to mention MJDs.

Next faux problem?

Edit: And stop trying to hijack the thread and turn it into another anti-bumping thread.

Black Pedro's idea.

It was a long thread on bumping.

Here is the idea:



Ironically, none of the anti-bumping people liked it.

Black Pedro had a second idea too.



I highlighted what I think is a very critical point. If we are going to change bumping, somehow the change should be such that CONCORD will not be part of the player interaction.

Ganking would continue if bumping is patched out tomorrow. What it will do is force gankers to change the meta, methods, and strategy involved.

Oh, I'm sorry. I figured I was risking an asset when I undocked and was a viable target of agression in my bump mach. I was unaware that bump machs are invincible, especially since I've been ganked by a handful of catalysts and had many other instances where ganks were attempted on my mach.

You call it baby type name calling, but I'm just describing what I see. It's ok that you dont fully understand the game and the meta involved with ganking. I understand the the mystery behind players accepting responsibility for being bad, uninformed, or careless is fleeting, but rest easy. If you listen to those that know what they are talking about, you might learn something.

In one last attempt to add some clarity to your ignorance, how would you suggest we add, "consequence" for bumpers? Should CCP also add mechanical consequences for the terrible haulers that move 5b+ in an untanked, unscouted, amd unsupported capital ship?

Apparently, Velators will have to be nerfed next.