EVE General Discussion

It never has been a game for everyone, it doesn't have 10 million subscribers but the people who stick around stay for a long time. They stay so long because they are able to have real lasting effects on this virtual world, they form groups and make friends, and these ties keep pulling people back. They can sit around chatting about that time when such-and-such accidentally clicked jump instead of bridge on his titan and the alliance had to throw together a rescue op for him. These are real events driven by real people and that doesn't exist elsewhere.

The only way I can see eve players stomaching a pve focused area is if it has no impact on the greater game, but I doubt that is technically possible or actually what the pve players would want. It would be very difficult to make eve more mainstream without throwing out some of it's core ideas.

No, there's nothing necessary about making EVE like everything else at all. The people that enjoy EVE know what it is, and what it's intended to be. It's intended to be a challenge against other people, and it does that with flying colours, not just in combat, but in politics, marketing, mining, territorial dispute, interpersonal drama, the list goes on. Why take such a unique game and make it into "everything else". If you want everything else, then you already have everything else to play instead.

EVE is always changing, always getting updates to add to that PVP environment that it is and is intended to be. If you do not like what EVE is, then you don't have to play. It has survived for over a decade this way, as I stated above, longer than WoW.

It's like this, mate. Some people like fancy restaurants, but most people will settle for a meal at McDonalds for dinner. There's a McDonalds on almost every corner in a big city, but as an example, there's only one Ciao Baby, an Italian place I used to be a head chef at. That's what makes Ciao Baby unique, because it's not another McDonalds. If people want McDonalds instead of Ciao Baby, then there's already plenty of that around. But if we were to change Ciao Baby and start serving cheap factory-line burgers instead of fresh made pasta just for the sake of popularity to be more like McDonalds, then it wouldn't be Ciao Baby anymore.

It really is that simple. If you don't like EVE, if you want it to be more like some other game, then what you actually want is that other game, not EVE, and you should go and play that instead. That's actually what I love most about EVE - it does a good job of filtering out the weak, leaving only mostly interesting and challenging people here to butt heads with.

No one here has suggested that the PVP side of the game be touched at all. I've never understood the knee jerk reaction from the pvp players who act like the sky is falling and eve is going to burn to the ground the second that anyone suggests the pve experience could be improved.

eve isn't a zero sum game, what would be lost by new missions, new epic arcs, more voice acting, or whatever other kind of pve content being added? its not like they would be taking away your ships, or turning your guns into gummy bear launchers. If anything a better and more robust pve experience would attract more players to the game. which means more people in space, which means more targets to shoot at.

While I do agree that eve is a pvp centric game, and that the pvp does drive the economy, to say that it is ONLY about pvp is frankly blind and only looking at one half of the equation. without the people who go out there and engage in pve, the is no more isk entering the economy, and no more ships being built.

Yes enriching the pve experience may attract more "carebears" to the game... so what, all it would mean is cheaper ships and more targets, sounds like a net gain if you ask me. and sure some of them might not like the cut throat nature of the game and leave, but they where not going to stick around anyways. other people though might enjoy it and stick around, maybe even dip their toes into other aspects of the game as time goes on.

I already admitted that eve is a pvp game, and sure. lets go by your logic that EVERYTHING is pvp... so then why not pretty up one of the more boring aspects of the pvp game to make it more interesting and less of a chore that you "need to do" in order to fascilitate the more fun parts? why not just make all of the "pvp" fun?

Do players actually die doing PVE?

Maybe therein lies the problem.

May the OP is on a Situation where to rethink what eve is.

I also did a lot of missions, grinding them till i got bored. So i said goodbye to Eve for seven years.

Now I am back and am just doing what i want and what makes fun for me.

I never know what i will do today, maybe exporation, maybe pvp, maybe missions - even mining if i want to.

May It is time for you, OP, to try something new before you will be getting bore-out like me a long time ago.

no matter how many times you change PVE or any other action to be fun, when you do it a few hundred times in a day it gets boring quick....so no

of all the games that require you to "grind" something it becomes boring rather its link smashing pots and cutting grass or running around on a map looking for encounters, or endless hours gambling and minigames...it all gets boring

strap on your kelvar and drink water, or go crawl into your safe space

So many posts on these forums are nothing more than "OH GOD NO, do that and my game play style will change" selfish!!!...

I agree 100% with that, actually, but let's not be confused as to which aspect of PVP that actually is - mining. Mining is one of those very few mechanics where I would recommend taking a look at another game, Elite: Dangerous, for inspiration on how to improve the activity. In Elite, mining is done right, and actually something I enjoy doing in my multi-purpose Anaconda. I'm not saying copy it, I'm saying find a way to make it more interactive for miners. Mining is FAR more boring than missions, and much more important than missions in regards to the player driven environment. It's also become quite clear that, as one of the game's activities that requires the least amount of input to complete the task, it's also the activity that is easiest to bot, which is why so many actually do.

Missions are fine where they are now, and the last thing this PVP game needs is PVE that becomes more entertaining than the PVP, pulling people away from the game's needed interactions.

Says the dude afk ratting in his carrier.