Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey CCP. Allow me to board a ship in space while criminal. Im a glutton for punishment.

I am hyperdunking

Its not gone.

OP is pretty clearly trolling, or they just got back after a long hiatus and tried to do this and are now sad and therefore complaining on the forums.

Simpleminded fools. How little you know about mechanics.

Yes its cost effective, but so is using catalysts with a load of F1 monkeys and/or using,12-14 bombers with a handful of F1 monkeys. Also a fully tanked freighter or jumpfreighter is a huge deterrance for someone wanting to hyperdunk.

No, Im not talking about normal ganks. Hyperdunking in its essence is still very do-able. To show how little you actually know, I will explain why its utterly hilarious why everyone cried about this:

All you needed to do to stop a hyperdunk was literally 1 t1 logi or something like a stabber to bump the bowhead away from the freighter. You could also bring an insta-locking svipul to pop the gankers pod. So being that the majority of all hyperdunks happened within a few jumps of a major trade hub, batphoning for you sweet white-knights isnt out of reach.

So I will continue to insult those of you that have no idea at all how to hyperdunk, how involved of an activity it was, how insanely easy it was to interrupt by literally 1 person, and how much time and effort it took to bump a freighter off grid. Hyperdunking is still very alive and well to this very day and thats why those of us that know how to bend and manipulate ****** mechanics to our favor will always be in a better spot to determine what is and isnt fair. Not to mention that knowledge and an understanding of mechanics outs you at a huge advantage in this game... I feel qualified to call you a moron. I understand that CCP wont revert this change, and it doesnt bother me. I will continue hyperdunking under CCPs nose when theu thought they have thwarted it. So cheer on, poor whiteknight baby and revel in the fact that at least 1 person is still hyperdunking.

In practice... not really so much. This was shown by the willingness of people to engage in the practice to a wide enough degree that CCP patched it out. Also since the only real reason to want to board a ship after going GCC was hyperdunking and similar mechanics there's no reason to request this change unless you want that back.

Also, as I said, the hardest part of that is getting the 70 or so Catalysts you need to take down a fully tanked ship. Bombers aren't bad, but they're still not as ISK efficient as a larger number of Catalysts can be because the hulls are about 20 times more expensive but only output around 2-3 times the DPS (skills and resists on the target depending).



Again, in practice this isn't feasible for a lot of players and wasn't often done. The only way most people are going to be able to respond to something like this is with an alt, and if an alt is the only way to deal with something it's probably a bad mechanic because it creates a distinct and large advantage to a small subset of the active playerbase.



Unless you care to explain what the current state of the mechanics actually are in your view then this thread is pretty much dead since you're just sitting there insulting people and claiming you know best, which pretty obviously isn't the case since you seem to be looking at the game through a gank-shaped peep-hole.

That either means you're pretty sure what you're doing is an exploit and could get you banned, or might be declared one and then you can't do it anymore. In either case that's not a terribly strong argument for allowing GCC players to board ships. Neither is "well CCP missed a way we can still do this thing so it should be made easier."

Honestly it kind of sounds like you just made this thread to lord your imaginary internet spaceship 1337-ness over others which is... kinda sad actually, lol.

ain't no dunking like a hyperdunking and the hyperdunking don't stop

Gee, it's almost like most of the ganking in the game period takes place in .5 systems and there's a .5 chokepoint called Uedama...



First off, Freighters aren't actually capitals. They don't have any of the benefits or restrictions of a true Capital and don't require or benefit from the Capital Ships skill.

That's sort of beside the point though, as I said in practice people simply don't support Freighters like that because it's incredibly boring to do for another player. There are certainly random people willing to mess up your gank (hyper or otherwise) but that's hardly reliable, and the same goes for having friends in the vicinity able to help. That's just not something CCP could balance around, and as I said previously the practice of hyperdunking seriously messed up with risk/reward balance of hauling.



responses:

• Volume doesn't mean it wasn't a broken mechanic.
• We've been over this, normal ganks are pretty hilariously easy to interrupt as well, if you happen to have a Blackbird sitting on the gate, but that doesn't commonly happen (and the BB itself has about a 50/50 shot of just getting ganked if the gankers are paying attention) so this doesn't justify Hyperdunking as a mechanic.
• So? Your argument here seems to be "well it's not going to mess up *all* trade so..."
• This just flat out doesn't matter. For a start, it's situational, and gets back to the "need alt to counter mechanic" argument, since you need a cyno in the right place at the right time. If anything this is actually *less* practical than having logi on-grid or something cloaked up to pop the pod.
• This is just a blatant lie. You can scoop most loot a Freighter is likely to be carrying with 100% safety using a DST and another alt in a noob ship. In fact I know for a fact you're aware of this as you made a thread complaining about it several months back. Even if you do scoop the loot with a freighter you're going to either be off-grid from the gate (because bumping) or so far away as to be functionally safe from retaliation as you align, hit loot all, and warp in the space of about 1 second.
• You and I both know how these economics work. The functional risk for a gank with many loot stacks is tiny, and across multiple probably profitable ganks you can make quite a bit of money.
• Isn't really much of an argument either. Lots of things in the game take skill, but that doesn't mean they're good for the game and letting a single player gank a Freighter with a hold full of Catalysts was deemed not good for the game.

Also, regarding bumping, we're both aware that CCP is and has been looking and bumping mechanics due to the one-sided nature of the interaction and functional inability for a Freighter to get away from a bumper with more than one brain cell.

So yeah, I don't find your list particularly compelling. None of it addresses the core problem with hyperdunking, which was that a single player could do something that previously required tons of coordination. That would be roughly equivalent of a single player managing to run Incursions for decent payout, which completely removes the main challenging element of it which is gathering and managing the players... oh wait, that's pretty much what banning input broadcasting was!

So yeah, unless you have a reason letting a single player pull this off is somehow fair and balanced I think you have a pretty poor argument for your case here.

Also yeah, nothing you've described here is "hyperdunking" since the one thing that made a dunk/gank "hyper" was the ship switching.

Obviously if you're looking to gank, a 0.5 is most desired. Uedama and the pipe were always bad for hyperdunking because of how notorious it was for ganking in general... So you saw a lot more white knights that will start looking for you once they see you in local.


They are capital class ships and have been categorized as such by CCP. Whatever arbitrary reason you want to use to make it fit your narrative is fine though.


I agree that essentially being a space trucker isn't the most exciting way to play the game, and that it's a necessity for a lot of things that go on in the game (especially for lowsec and nullsec alliances). I don't think that because the activity of hauling stuff is boring is a good excuse to provide proper support and protection for your chosen career and investments... Especially when the prime targets for hyperdunking are triple expanded freighters hauling more than 3-5b (depending on the system). It's not in the "spirit of eve online" to give these players a pass on an activity they have added immense risk, then state that they shouldn't have to have proper support for these capital class ships.

Some of the people looking to mess with hyperdunks were random, but we had quite the following of pilots with real hate-boners that would find us and stop us almost daily. Not to mention there's an entire community that is built around stopping ganks. I will also note that the skill, resources, and pilots required to stop a hyperdunk vs a normal freighter gank is really no comparison. AG try and fail all the time to stop ganks, while anytime a white knight or AG showed up to foil one of my hyperdunks, it was over.

I don't see it as being a broken mechanic.

As I stated earlier, hyperdunks are infinitely easier to stop than a normal gank. You're just plain wrong about this and a blackbird isn't going to stop a gank. You are aware almost everytime a freighter is ganked they account for logi and jams? The fact that a single pilot in an Osprey can stop a hyperdunk proves my point.