EVE General Discussion

WTFAYTA?

Actaully, I'll revise my earlier statement, the people who complain about bumping are Herzog Wolfhammer, Dracvlad, and Miriam Beckstein. I'd add Mike Voidstar, but he doesn't post anymore (might have made good on his threats to quit because EVE is so mean or something). Other than that...nobody else really complains.

"Isolate the target" How Saul Alinsky of you.





People understand ganks better than "how could I have just gotten bumped for over an hour and nothing happened to the guy that did it?". Seen it with my own eyes. Of course you'll demand proof while providing none yourself. as is what you do.

You are losing the argument and your doubling down like this makes you look bad. You'll probably start projecting next. And my first post in this thread assumed that would happen.

So you are admitting that being able to bump a ship endlessly, even without needing a reason, is an OK mechanic?

Please explain. The player base needs to know these reasons (as would whoever might buy CCP in the future and wonder what the root cause of the games bad "griefer favoring" reputation is coming from)

And this has happened how often?

No, really? If you are going to complain about something tell us when it has actually happened vs. your fevered imagination and ravings.

After all, if I am going to spend 23 hours bumping you...that means I have wasted 23 hours where I could do something in game that could actually benefit me in game.

Funny...once again, EVE players seem to grasp the notion of opportunity cost when it comes to mining minerals, but everywhere else they'd get an F.

"Help", "lose it".....
don't try to change the subject back to ganking. Who said anything about losing any assets? This is now about bumping. And one player can do it.

You are trying to justify bumping with ganking reasons. I have already explained that ganking does not require bumping, and that bumping is a one-player no consequence mechanic not requiring to end in a gank.

I already told you that, having set aside ganking, you need to now explain why bumping is a justified mechanic. Go ahead, I'll wait. But you and your alts won't gaslight your way out of this.

It's justified in the same way that a dictor bubbling a titan forever is justified. We have the tools and tactics for dealing with both situations, it's up to you to use them. If you choose not to then you can't complain about what the results of that action are.

Teckos:

Yeah, you make a valid point about "bottom up" in that context, such that design should not interfere with players choices unduly.

My context was that design should begin from a 1v1 perspective, as lowest common denominator, such that it underlies and remains consistent throughout subsequent complexity.

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Miriam:

I dont perceive bumping as an act of aggression. Its simply two ships colliding, which is a common occurrence in EVE (whether accidental or intentional). As cool as it would be if ramming actually did damage, what we have in EVE is more or less a minigame of "bumper cars" at a fair.

My only issue with it is rather academic and anal, based more on principle than anything else. (and cos im a pathological hair-splitter) I dont think it should be possible to bump another ship indefinitely.

Unless freighter destruction suddenly takes an enormous exponential upswing (involving protracted bumping), Im not seeing this as a severe balance issue.

Frankly, I was a bit shocked to see the statistics on freighter destruction as excellently researched by thread contributors here. I had suspected it, and deduced it would be, but I was still taken aback at just how low the rate is.

The issue is imo grossly overstated. And as many posters have pointed out, even those few freighters destroyed are usually neglecting looong lists of precautions.

I think the issue is so overstated and over-represented, because losing a freighter inherently involves losing its cargo as well, which incurs massive costs compared to the loss of a combat ship. Freighters, to put it simply, are huge loot pinatas. People who lose them are understandably upset, but it is themselves they should be upset with, not the gankers or EVE.

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baltec1:

Very valid point, that haulers are designed, for the large part (most of them), to be flown escorted.
Uniquely so. Its intrinsic in their stats, and their cargo makes them even more valuable, requiring appropriate defending.

I redact my 1v1 argument on this issue, in favor of yours.
(Especially in light of how many other precautions are possible, and supported by the fact rate of freighter destruction is negligibly small compared to the amount of traffic).

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I still think bumping should be capped in someway, atleast to prevent it being potentially an indefinite behavior.

Again, this is a thread about ganking. It is right there in the name of the thread.

If you want a thread just about bumping go for it.

Since you seem a bit dense....

If you want to discus bumping it will be in relation to...the thread topic: Ganking.

It isn't that hard and even somebody like you Herzog should be able to grasp this....but then again maybe not.

I would only class two ships in the built with escorts in mind. First the freighters and the other the orca which is very much a fleet ship. Everything else can handle bumpers very easily alone.