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Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-12-24 07:18:22 UTC
When do I get to complain about the "imperialist Caldari controlling Placid" just like Diana complains about Black Rise.

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-12-24 09:20:04 UTC
Eha fell today so you may begin now.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2016-12-24 09:48:20 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
When do I get to complain about the "imperialist Caldari controlling Placid" just like Diana complains about Black Rise.


When we're investigating the State for running illegal death camps.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#24 - 2016-12-24 09:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
When do I get to complain about the "imperialist Caldari controlling Placid" just like Diana complains about Black Rise.


When we're investigating the State for running illegal death camps.

Considering that she is the State or a perfect representation of it in her head, I think all one has to do is start investigating her.

What she does and has done isn't exactly undocumented, even if she has a habit of going back and editing posts to try and cover her tracks so she can 'win' arguments on the IGS by claiming other people are liars.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2016-12-24 09:59:36 UTC
I suppose the death camps really need to government-sponsored, then Morwen. At least for the maximum amount of outrage.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#26 - 2016-12-24 12:01:12 UTC
The State wouldn't be running illegal death camps though. Unlike the Federation.

All death camps would comply with the Caldari Corporate Convention, where the exact procedures and systems used would be registered and approved of by the regulator, with paperwork filed in triplicate with the relevant overseer organisation.

This isn't the Minmatar Republic. This is the State. There are Rules.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2016-12-24 16:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Ayallah wrote:
No, I am talking about taking Aegis systems.


Then again, you're talking about the final assault, because it is impossible to take a system under Entosis warfate in a single day as your original phrasing implied. This is because after the Amarr released entosis technology to the cluster, CONCORD designed the new sovereignty system. Sensing a theme here? Guess what it was designed to mimic.

You can talk about how it's easy to 'wait out' timers, no problem, but your initial statement made no mention of that. To someone not familiar with Aegis warfare, 'I have taken multiple systems a day' strongly implies that you've gone in and made the initial assault and then finished things off, in multiple system—all within the same 24 hour window of beginning the first assault on the first system.

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An entire region can be steamrolled in a night, meet up for the second timer in a couple of days and then have the entire region. In that time, the same group of people could get one system captured and begin to work on a second.


This is a much clearer way of presenting it. Had you said that the first time, I wouldn't have objected. Had you been talking about it just among null-dwellers, I'd have been fine. But when someone's specifically asking because they have no idea how entosis warfare works, 'I have taken multiple systems in a day' leads to inferred misinformation.

If you're going to provide information, make sure it's clear.

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And comparison not apt?


Try a dictionary.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2016-12-24 16:22:47 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
When do I get to complain about the "imperialist Caldari controlling Placid" just like Diana complains about Black Rise.


When we're investigating the State for running illegal death camps.

Considering that she is the State or a perfect representation of it in her head, I think all one has to do is start investigating her.

What she does and has done isn't exactly undocumented, even if she has a habit of going back and editing posts to try and cover her tracks so she can 'win' arguments on the IGS by claiming other people are liars.


Well, let's investigate, then!

Diana, are you running illegal death-camps, or just killing non-combatant women and children in asteroid colonies?
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#29 - 2016-12-24 18:27:51 UTC
The answer is neither. I doubt she has the time to waste on running anything. It'd take away from things that are actually important, like frothing-at-the-mouth and hypocrisy.

She's definitely gone out of her way to execute POWs and make a public spectacle of it on at least one occasion, was more the point.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-12-24 19:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
As fun as it would be Arrendis, I do not feel like arguing with you about things I did not say.

What I said is I have taken multiple systems in a day which is completely true. I also said I have taken regions with just a small group of about twenty dedicated pilots which is also true.

Any implication you add to what I say is yours to reconcile, not mine. No one else seemed to have the same problem just like every other time you try to stir up an argument with me. Notice how in these threads you pick a post and intentionally nitpick some random phrase you do not like and then start an argument about what the person was saying. Then you completely forgot about your nitpicking of someone else's post when I arrived because you adore nitpicking my posts apparently. I just honestly do not care to correct you every time you intentionally misinterpret something I say anymore.

We are all from every part of new eden here and we all communicate with translation software so being pedantic over phrasing is a complete waste of time. You are like a scope news network editor ensuring no possible misinterpretation could exist in what goes out. This is a casual discussion with a new pilot, not a legal document.

You think comparing nullsec and lowsec is not apt, great. ...Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion?

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2016-12-24 19:54:21 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
As fun as it would be Arrendis, I do not feel like arguing with you about things I did not say.

What I said is I have taken multiple systems in a day which is completely true.


You also directly contrasted this with the inability to take systems quickly in lowsec. The implication is clear.

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Any implication you add to what I say is yours to reconcile, not mine. No one else seemed to have the same problem just like every other time you try to stir up an argument with me.


The responsibility to be clear is always on the part of the speaker or writer. Always. Tell us, Ayallah, how exactly was the person who was asking for information supposed to know you were being unclear in order to have a problem with what you said?

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Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion?


Let's check this now, shall we?

I make a statement.
Someone asks me for clarification.
You decide to butt in and provide 'clarification' that is unclear.
I point this out, in the process of providing accurate and clear information.
You ask me if I have anything to contribute to the conversation between me and someone else that you've inserted yourself into.

We all know you can't ever possibly be wrong about anything in the history of the universe Ayallah. How's your gruel?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#32 - 2016-12-24 19:56:26 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
The answer is neither. I doubt she has the time to waste on running anything. It'd take away from things that are actually important, like frothing-at-the-mouth and hypocrisy.


Well, it can't be neither, she's proudly listed an inhabited asteroid colony (as opposed to 'base') among her kills in the 'a pirate said something mean to me so I killed people' thread.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-12-24 20:11:32 UTC
So no then.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-12-24 20:28:31 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
We all know you can't ever possibly be wrong about anything in the history of the universe Ayallah. How's your gruel?
Just to be clear here, you are now criticizing me not for being wrong but in saying it in a way that you did not feel was good enough. You are bitching because someone might have misunderstood what I said.
Arrendis wrote:
If you're going to provide information, make sure it's clear.
I conveyed what I wanted to, not what YOU wanted me to or believed I was conveying. Guess what, the person I was addressing did not misunderstand and if she did then you already cleared that up.

So what are you arguing now Arrendis?

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#35 - 2016-12-24 20:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Arrendis wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
The answer is neither. I doubt she has the time to waste on running anything. It'd take away from things that are actually important, like frothing-at-the-mouth and hypocrisy.


Well, it can't be neither, she's proudly listed an inhabited asteroid colony (as opposed to 'base') among her kills in the 'a pirate said something mean to me so I killed people' thread.

Oh. Right. That thread.

End result's still gonna lie somewhere in between, though.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2016-12-24 20:31:16 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
The answer is neither. I doubt she has the time to waste on running anything. It'd take away from things that are actually important, like frothing-at-the-mouth and hypocrisy.


Well, it can't be neither, she's proudly listed an inhabited asteroid colony (as opposed to 'base') among her kills in the 'a pirate said something mean to me so I killed people' thread.

Oh. Right. [That thread.

End result's still gonna lie somewhere in between, though.

Between what? A hangman's noose and a firing squad?

I honestly couldn't resist that one.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Arrendis
TK Corp
#37 - 2016-12-24 21:25:27 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Stuff


Sorry, thought you weren't gonna be arguing this? Oh, right, still can't possibly ever be wrong or even slightly at fault.

Mmmmmm, gruel.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2016-12-24 23:51:57 UTC
And now it is revealed that shockingly, you had nothing to say all along.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#39 - 2016-12-25 05:50:28 UTC
I like this thread. It makes even me look perfectly reasonable.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2017-01-12 03:46:31 UTC
MantelGlobalIndustries wrote:

Let this renewed effort be a call to the Federation and the State. Let us bring about an end this wasteful and pointless conflict, which only serves to increase the already odious death toll, loss of material and ISK investment, and refocus our efforts on rebuilding these regions long plagued by conflict and terror.

Sir, General, with all due respect, I believe that such call shall be made, but not at this time. Not all Caldari colonies have been liberated from Gallentean oppression yet, and untimely call of such sort might make them feel a weakness among our ranks. This is unacceptable, sir.

We shall clean our space from gallentean filth, hold at least one of their systems and only then there will be right time to try convince Gallente invaders to stop the conflict, sir.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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