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CCP why can't we choose the gun first and directly buy it?
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Jackship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-12-23 22:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jackship
Is it too stupit when you fit your ship thinking like thiis order: gun, ammo, defence...then buy it?

The new ghost fitting has improved the fitting efficiency, but in high slot the Electonic Warfare still on the top of the item list instead of any guns. （it's kind of alphabetical order）

Yes, there is third party tools. But isn't more convenient and satisfied that if palyers could find their guns at first place in the game? Imagine when you are first time playing EVE, fitting your ship, maybe a customizable list order or preset categorized order like overview could be even better than alphatetical order.

When you right click the item of fitting sheet, there are only "Info and Compare". Why don't add "market" option or double click we can directly buy it?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-12-23 22:38:24 UTC
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-23 23:04:15 UTC
Soon™
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-12-23 23:17:56 UTC
Could not understand the point OP is trying to make. I'd suggest finding an actual english speaker and not relying on google translate.

Nearest I can tell is that OP has issue with the ghost fitting system, to which I respond with the standard reply.

If you want more advanced features, use the more advanced third party tools.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#5 - 2016-12-24 01:40:53 UTC
My guess: In ghost fitting you can filter the module selection at the left side after slots.

Answer: its in alphabetic order.

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Miriam Beckstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-12-24 02:05:57 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Could not understand the point OP is trying to make. I'd suggest finding an actual english speaker and not relying on google translate.


I think his point is that when you use the simulated fitting, the list of things you can fit appears in exactly the same order as it does on the market, i.e. alphabetically by the heading. Since 'Turrets & Bays' does not appear at the top of the list, I assume he wants the entire English language redesigned so that T is the new first letter of the alphabet, and the guns therefore get their rightful place at the top of the list.
Wanda Fayne
#7 - 2016-12-24 02:20:14 UTC
Miriam Beckstein wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Could not understand the point OP is trying to make. I'd suggest finding an actual english speaker and not relying on google translate.


I think his point is that when you use the simulated fitting, the list of things you can fit appears in exactly the same order as it does on the market, i.e. alphabetically by the heading. Since 'Turrets & Bays' does not appear at the top of the list, I assume he wants the entire English language redesigned so that T is the new first letter of the alphabet, and the guns therefore get their rightful place at the top of the list.


Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
wat™


Apparently you need to put a 'T' before that, Ralph.

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-24 02:52:27 UTC
Miriam Beckstein wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Could not understand the point OP is trying to make. I'd suggest finding an actual english speaker and not relying on google translate.


I think his point is that when you use the simulated fitting, the list of things you can fit appears in exactly the same order as it does on the market, i.e. alphabetically by the heading. Since 'Turrets & Bays' does not appear at the top of the list, I assume he wants the entire English language redesigned so that T is the new first letter of the alphabet, and the guns therefore get their rightful place at the top of the list.


Actually I'm pretty sure this is a clever dig at the seemingly random order the skill groups on the character sheet now have.

+1 OP..

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Jackship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-12-24 02:54:34 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
My guess: In ghost fitting you can filter the module selection at the left side after slots.

Answer: its in alphabetic order.



It's not exactly alphabetic order though. The ”structures“ is on the bottom of the list. My point is why alphabetical order？ Isn't gun first make more sense?
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#10 - 2016-12-24 03:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
Jackship wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
My guess: In ghost fitting you can filter the module selection at the left side after slots.

Answer: its in alphabetic order.



It's not exactly alphabetic order though. The ”structures“ is on the bottom of the list. My point is why alphabetical order？ Isn't gun first make more sense?

Not if you fly a logistic ship. Or a hauler. Or a mining barge. ...

Structures are not ship related. Just a guess.

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Memphis Baas
#11 - 2016-12-24 03:31:59 UTC
They need to implement a Siri for the ghost fitting window, so you can "Siri, what is the best fitting for my ship?" and have it do it for you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2016-12-24 03:36:37 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
They need to implement a Siri for the ghost fitting window, so you can "Siri, what is the best fitting for my ship?" and have it do it for you.

no because knowing ccp and acronyms itl be called Eichmann or something equally unsettling, remember isis?

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Miriam Beckstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-12-24 03:56:50 UTC
Jackship wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
My guess: In ghost fitting you can filter the module selection at the left side after slots.

Answer: its in alphabetic order.



It's not exactly alphabetic order though. The ”structures“ is on the bottom of the list. My point is why alphabetical order？ Isn't gun first make more sense?


Top level of the list has ship equipment ahead of structures. Not sure why structures is appearing on the simulated fitting window though. What structures are there that you can fir to a ship?
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#14 - 2016-12-24 03:56:51 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
They need to implement a Siri for the ghost fitting window, so you can "Siri, what is the best fitting for my ship?" and have it do it for you.


Oh, what a good idea. Naturally it would annoy many people and they'd then come here to complain that Siri fit for PVP when they wanted a PVE fit (and vice versa)
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#15 - 2016-12-24 04:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Jackship wrote:
Is it too stupit when you fit your ship thinking like thiis order: gun, ammo, defence... ?

The new ghost fitting has improved the fitting efficiency, but in high slot the Electonic Warfare still on the top of the item list instead of any guns. （it's kind of alphabetical order）

Yes, there is third party tools. But isn't more convenient and satisfied that if palyers could find their guns at first place in the game?


You don't have to fit the modules in the order as presented in the item list. Item categories are listed in alphabetical order and you will find weapons under "Turrets and Bays". You can fit the guns first if you wish. Sorry for blowing your mind.
mkint
#16 - 2016-12-24 04:45:48 UTC
Anyone wanna tell OP about the filters? Or should we keep that secret for the EVEluminati?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-12-24 05:07:05 UTC
mkint wrote:
Anyone wanna tell OP about the filters? Or should we keep that secret for the EVEluminati?

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Jackship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-12-24 05:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jackship
Fitting probably is first thing and the most important thing to do when you fly a ship. That's why I am digging this details.

My point is the aphabetic order may not the most efficient way tor fitting. The new fitting system has different filters is try to improve fitting efficiency. Isn't more convenient find gun on the top of the list? This small changes may gives even better experience for new players.

If aphabetic order mean so much to you then keep it. I am asking there is more choices, maybe a custom order list option.

By the way, what's the first thing pop up in your mind when you fittingt your ship by yourself?(except copy others or using a third party tools)

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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#19 - 2016-12-24 06:07:44 UTC
There are a bazzillion possibilitys to fit a ship in eve and he still asks for more choices.

LolLolLol

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Andreve en Distel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-12-24 06:10:48 UTC
So here's the thing. Not everyone starts with guns to fit their ship. Maybe you do, but a lot of people don't. So it makes NO sense at all to reorder how things are listed based on a percentage of the population's habits. Personally, I think they should put Hull and Armor first, that's where I frequently start my fit. Do you? No? So would it be helpful in any way to you if we rearranged things to best suit my habit? I don't think your answer is going to be yes...
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