EVE General Discussion

(TLDR Version: rough breakdown of SP farming both as alpha farms and omega farms, as well as rate of return for investment and why 2x training speed for alphas would break the market, resulting in a loss of money for ccp from those accounts)

alpha skills can be extracted, but they can only be extracted in an omega state. so all you need to do is train up to the 5mil alpha limit, omega your account for one month, train up skills that alphas can't use (to give yourself an SP buffer) then extract as many omega skills as you can and re-queue them up (which bypasses the 24 alpha training queue since it was set while you where still omega)

you then let the account lapse back into alpha, and train up those skills as an alpha clone, then once those are done, go omega again, train up more omega only skills (at which point you should be getting close to 4 or 5 mil in omega only) and repeat add nauseum. yes it does mean that you need to activate for omega once in a while. but it takes advantage of the free training time.
People have already started setting up alpha accounts for just this purpose as it allows you to extract 5-7mil+ in SP for the price of a single plex, where as under omega only SP farming you can extract ~2mil for that same price.

if alpha clones had the same training time as omegas you could cycle your farm once every 2-3 months for max profit, with the current alpha times it can only be done every 5 or so months.

we have already started to see the impact of alpha clone SP farms on the injector market, the prices have been steadily dropping ever since they came out. if alphas had full training speed the market would crash so far as to be unsustainable. which would result in many of the current SP farmers either shutting down their operations entirely or switching over to the alpha farming method (resulting in lost revenue for CCP)

Now you might be thinking "wouldn't it mean more money for CCP if alphas did have the faster training, because then the SP farms would have to go omega more times in a year".

Well since omega skills are spread across all of the attributes, which means you cannot actually min-max your attributes with a remap. they also cannot use the +5 training implants. the combination of the reduced alpha training speed, sub optimal remap, and limit to only +3 implants means that while yes, the alpha SP farm gets you a better return on SP per plex investment. the higher rate of SP gain from an omega SP farm means that in the long term it will actually make you more money.

so alpha farming does have an impact on the market, but really the only people who are getting into it are the people who run their SP farms VERY passively. the kind of people who might not run them at all if the alpha farms where not even an option, so any amount of plex per year from them is more than ccp was getting before.

The people who run active SP farms and don't mind putting in the extra work for it, will continue to run their farms the same way they always have.

If people want to do that more power to them, regardless of how much I doubt that would happen. I'm sure this doesn't address the players that would like to try the game and are turned into wandering spectator's because of the fear they might be able to actually do something.

EVE has multiple updates per year and has been running for 13 years. Have you played D3 for hours every week for 13 years?

Why do you deserve entertainment for free? Your sense of entitlement is ridiculous. People. want. to. pay every. month. for. a. video. game. so. developers. have. money. to. keep. improving. that. game.

If you could afford $15/mo for a hobby you enjoy, you wouldn't have made this thread.

Would say now, don't feed the troll.

I don't really see the point in having alphas train at 1/2 speed. When they hit the cap they are at the cap having it take longer to get there makes no sense. I guess maybe ccp figures that when they hit the cap they might quit, which may be the case. However, its a very boring wait to the cap at 1/2 speed which could lead people to quit. I for one would like to see alpha players stick around. More players is good for the game. And by the way I have 4 omega accounts so I'm not wanting anything for free.

Just because I say something you don't wan't to hear doesn't make me a troll. Same goes for the previous poster. You guys need to start rethinking your positions.

It is not that you "say something you don't wan't to hear".
It is that you do not accept any others opinion. You actually do not read what people write. You just continue the same accusations and complaints changing it every time to something new.

That's what trolls do. That's what YOU do here. That's why you won't have any support.

I asked that back on page 2 when this thread was young and wasn't yet a complete troll.

Still awaiting an answer.

I also pointed out that his whole issue appears to be a massive case of pen...Sorry ship envy.

Still seems to be the case. Wants everything for free and wants it now.


He's very much a glass half empty kinda guy!

You need to be in range to demand better content.

Pretty Fanciful Unicorn Land?
That doesn't work, we need a better acronym than PFUM!

How about Pretty Random Imaginary Creatures?

I wanna join PRI..... Oh wait....