Intergalactic Summit

Oh?

So all the venom spewed by Amarr loyalists over the years regarding Jamyl being a clone didn't happen? Keral wasn't a clone? Khanid just had a lot of really good replacement parts? I thought Jamyl's resurrection was supposed to have been a miracle? Now all of a sudden we're forgetting that debate and being a clone is fine and your soul is intact as long as you obey Scripture? I think I was fairly accurate in my assessment, Admiral. Sacred Flesh was a thing in the Empire right up until it was proven that Jamyl's flesh was far from sacred. But I suppose I'm the heretic?

You were recently bemoaning how many former Praetorians had left the Empire and found other paths of Faith. Perhaps we got tired of killing the innocent in the name of a lie? Maybe you're now on the cusp of the same crisis of faith that we BAD PEOPLE had? Maybe you're beginning to see that the Empire is and has been a puppet, dancing on the ISK-strings of CONCORD? I would hope so. Because I don't see how you can be loyal to the Empire as it was and serve the Empire as it is.

'Which test reveals more of the soul - the test that a man will take to prove his faith. or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven?"

Maybe you should try summarizing my actual discussion, rather than providing an idiosyncratic background narrative of the Amarrian history that led to that discussion?

You.

I am curious what the Empress has to say about such an edict?

You.

However much fun it is to see these attempts to incorporate another fairly simple aspect of the modern world into their mysticism in a vain attempt to keep it relevant in this day and age, the matter is worth discussing once you drop the ridiculous trappings of 'faith'.

Yes, repeated cloning can have an effect on people due to imperfect infomorph transfer. This is not by any means certain to be damage to the infomorph since this also happens every day on its own. Some experiences are forgotten, some are added, some drown in substance abuse, some are imagined and the sum total of what makes up 'you' changes all the time. Some infinitesimal change has next to no real impact that isn't already rivaled or far surpassed by all the other natural mechanics that does the same. The technology will also improve and advance, reducing this even further as time passes.

I would claim with a fair bit of confidence - borne from what data we do have, and personal experience - that the cloning process can almost be entirely dismissed as the cause of CeeDee or whatever other buzzword that finds itself favored by the doomsayers and gossipmongers. Consider the sheer differences between the lives of baseliners and capsuleers. Consider the experiences. Power difference. Wealth difference. Practical immortality. Add in almost constant conflict - by most baseliner standards -, oceans of blood spilled, complete changes in perspective and a complete change in enforced responsibility for actions.

Even the most peaceful of highsec dweller - mining or trading their way to wealth through the war economy we dabble in - has a life so vastly abnormal and arguably unnatural compared to baseliners that it is frankly ludicrous to start trying to blame something so insignificant as the cloning process for the aberrations we see in capsuleer behaviours, and that's not even taking the ridiculous leap of faith - or drunken tumble down mount dumbarse - it requires to start adding claims about souls into the mix.

It would be very interesting to see good research done on every facet of that non-euclidean lookin' jewel we call Capsuleer Dementia, but until such research has been performed it'd probably serve us all better to use at least some reason rather than jump to conclusions that are entirely baseless.

Which brings us to the Theology Council, but then when the hell have they actually had to produce their work? It's telling that even something as basic and simple as 'peer review' would in all likelihood see them laughed out of any sensible company.

With you? No. Indulging in debate with monsters is a waste of everyone's time.

But then I did not write this thread for you. I only responded to you at all because you grossly mischaracterized the content of the note.

Wll, there's that hair....

You...wound me, Lord Gaven.

But I'm curious. How exactly am I a monster?