EVE General Discussion

You're getting more than what you've paid for, so suck it up, or sub.

You figured out how to do all that in three weeks?

I'm a new alpha. I'm not experiencing this whole 'can't do anything, I'm only a floating target' thing that the OP is complaining about. Yeah, I'm more or less broke. Yeah, I can't do anything very well. But I can still try it. Can do an okish job of exploring. Can mine ok for a bit of cash while I'm doing other work by computer. Can run missions ok, do most of SOE arc. Apparently I'll need help for a couple of those. Haven't yet, but can apparently do okish job in pvp roams, too. Be a scout, be a tackle, be a very dead bait alpha cluelessly wandering into low security space. I don't think I could fight anybody 1v1, but so what? More to do than any other free trial I've played, more fun than any other free trial I've played, which is why I'll be subbing.

However, if CCP got rid of the half training speed, I wouldn't sub. At least, not yet. Looks like some of the alpha skills are low priority, but looks like there's maybe 3-4 million of the 5 million that are high priority general skills I'm going to want anyway. If I trained at full speed, that'd be 10-12 weeks of training to get those points? So I'd play free for 3 months, and only sub then. Instead, I've played for 2 weeks and will be subbing to get proper training speed. I don't think it'll open up any new gameplay avenues for me in the next 2-3 months, I'll still be new player in basic ships trying to learn the game.

Helix you said you couldn't scan down a site with your skills. Were those max alpha scanning skills or do you have some levels to go

I'm curious what site you wanted to find, and what its scan requirements are. Whether that site is scannable by alphas might not have been considered.

Thank you very much for posting this!

It is so refreshing to see the enjoyment and keenness of some people, despite the alpha restrictions!

I hope you stay with it, join a corp and find some like-minded souls to do stuff with. The enjoyment of this game isn't how much isk you have in your wallet or how big your ship is, it's the interactions that make the game.

You may be broke, but you are trying to have fun and have a positive outlook, that counts for a lot.

Will happily send you some isk when I get home from work, enjoy, spend it on something ridiculously overpriced, take it out and get it blown up, enjoy the cool explosion, shake with adrenaline , repeat ad infinitum.

If it takes 6 months to max out your alpha skills, then why not get a 3 months subscription? Max out your alpha skills and then drop back to F2P with maxed out alpha skills.

Another important thing to note is that you should aim for a balanced skill tree instead of maxing out individual skills. It is a much more productive use of your training time to get 10 skills to level 3, then have one skill at level 5. At the outset you should only be getting level 5's if it is pre-requisite for something else.

I ran a couple of tests in the past few days to check out the alpha's and was disappointed because they are hard capped to lvl 4 in skills. I'm not sure if its all of the ones that they can train but i know for sure that they cant take cybernetics or venture to lvl 5.

The ability to use more than one account at the same time isnt possible on one computer which i think is good to a certain extent as it stops people from gang abuse. At the same time that was my initial reason for trying out the alpha's in the first place as i wanted to test out multiboxing to see if its worth my time and effort before subbing and skilling up or buying a few half decent chars with isk.

As an old player from 2005 I can tell you that there probably would of been a lot of players who would of taken advantage of the current ease of training skills and a lot of us made mistakes during our training too which with the introduction of the skill injectors helped us to fix those unwanted skills.


Also to the op, you've got 2 weeks to be half competent and you feel agitated by that.... I can understand that very well but things have been made a lot easier for you compared to what a lot of us had to go through in the past. We had half the attribute points that you start with and had to spend a good month or two training up learning skills to give us +1 point in the attribute that skill affected per skill level.

Just think of the current speed of that current skill plan you're following, what would it be like with half the attribute stats you have now?

Thats what we had to go through before learning those learning skills just to have the stats you have now.


Also with regards to being on an equal footing as a veteran there are a lot of pvp corps out there who want alpha's still because they know that it may not be good for you guys in 1v1 but if there is enough of you flying those ships you can go out and cause a lot of havoc...

Yeah that problem of training too many things rather than focusing on something specific. I didn't iron out those mistakes until 70 million SP-ish. Forcing alphas to focus on small ships and in their race is kind of a good thing in a way. Like gutter bumpers at bowling lanes.


hah what other games do you play? How does the pace of EVE compare to those, and is that better or worse to you? Specifically the pace and what tend to be long periods of quiet.

Why should player that pays for the game be penalised just because alpha accounts arent happy?

I know there are older players than me, some since 2003, we have played EVE and supported the game with money. A lot of the alpha accounts come to test out EVE you knew what you were getting, its made VERY clear. Why complain about it, you dont go and get given a car and then complain that its not a better one to the person who gave it to you.

You want the same privileges as an omega, then become omega.

The F2P model isnt designed to let you do everything that a paid account can do, its to let you test the water in the hopes you will sub.

And we all knew these threads would be coming, would you rather it were still on the old system of a 14 day trial then either sub, go away or restart another trial? with restrictions on what you could train and use and after 14 days CCP says "times up".

If you want to play for free, go ahead and do it, but dont come crying that its not fair that these people train faster and can do more when they are actually the ones that are directly (paying money) or indirectly (buying a plex that someone else bought with RL money) paying and supporting CCP and EVE's continued existence.

it was more due to the starter corp i joined, they wanted everyone to mine and mission run so I had mining skills on both of my main characters which wasnt bad at the time cos it was a little income from the minerals. I joined Stain Alliance for a few days and didnt feel ready for null sec at that time so went back to the starter corp and began investing in purchasing bookmarks for null sec space and skilling towards pvp which is when I noticed I had wasted skill points in mining.