EVE General Discussion

He wants one of two things, one, to annoy people to the point they stop posting, or two (more likely) to annoy people to the point they think they are blocked and reply with alts to get that last jab in. That way he knows what accounts are controlled by the same person.

Either way, petty 5th grade stuff.

Drac, I have to break it to you. you are wrong.

YES.. overcoming bumping while flying a freighter is very difficult everyone agrees with that I am sure, or easy depending on if you scout and hold your position if you notice a bumpy macheriel.

You may have to consider that the game is purposely designed in this manner and no amount of complaining or going on strike will change it. You know as well as I do Drac there are people out the who don't listen to good sound advice and there is nothing you can do to get them to listen. The freighter gank gameplay is a part of space simulators, always has been, end of story.

If people took some time to understand the nature of eve and what they do within eve they would have a more cautious approach.

Drac please try to accept that the if one commits to overloading their freighter and not scouting before they jump then the game is designed so that people can come and kill you. It's the way the world works I'm afraid. This is one of the reasons I still love Eve. It's harsh, unforgiving and relentless. No game ever in my life has made me feel how Eve does.

At this point all you can really do is find a platform for you to spread your word, advising people of the safe way to do their hauling,

Drac, the game designers have us trumped on psychology. Always remember they have the carrot, not you, They. The fact that ganking exists means the anti gankers association has to exist right. see where im going? The stubborn hauler who tries to do everything solo and listens to no one gets ganked means that a group of organised people get fed.

What if a people from the CCP design team have looked at your concerns and made a decision to keep it harsh for people who dont know to scout and not overload the freighter?

Could we look at another possible tactic? remote hull repair.? Anyone got any views on this? I know it seems costly on fitting powergrid and logistics because of the distance limit and no ships having bonuses for remote hull rep. If we analyse the series of events in a freight gank I'd like to highlight that the gank ships will all get killed by concord so perhaps the counter may lie in keeping the freighter alive until concord intervenes?

You should stop getting confused by the smokescreen that is always put up by Gankers and ganker aligned players, ganking is fine, period, the issue is the no consequence bumping of freighters in hisec, no they did not design to make it harsh for people hauling stuff they decided to make it very easy for gankers by enabling them to totally control the space. Did you see the OP say that if you stop bumping you stop ganking, I repeat are they that bad at Eve that they have to rely on bumping?

I have run stuff to Jita and back solo, and I have never been ganked, the basic premise is to know what you are doing and the first thing is to stop using freighters and use DST's and plan to move big stuff in bits it is not difficult, just like I stopped mining when all mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag, people should stop being patsies. It is nothing like a strike, it is making a choice, the same as I make a choice to use a Skiff when I mine, I use a DST because it is better, I am currently working on an Impel fit with command links and high grade snakes that that lot will have no chance ganking, that is how I play, what I see is the balance tipped heavily in the gankers favour with this bumping which creates the environment for leisurely freighter ganking. Think of it this way, in sov space or in terms of Citadels you have to have people able to turn up to shoot the damn things at the time set by the defender, think about freighter ganking, a bumper can sit there and hold a freighter for hours while waiting for his friends to log on at their leisure. Does that really fit the harsh cold reality of Eve? Not in my book, if they want that damn kill they have to set up for it, not have it fall in their laps like that, but there it is easy stuff....

Anyway I have made my point in this troll thread about the issues of bumping, and that people like the OP see anyone saying that is an issue as being against ganking, it is rather funny.


I am trying to be nice here, but remote hull reppers are not the answer, because they are un-bonused, that means amount and range is less than any shield or armour repper, perhaps if CCP decided to create a bonused ORE hull repping ship, I can dream your suggestion would work. The best advice is for haulers who use freighters for reasons is to use an Obelisk or Providence with deadspace plating so that AG reppers can have more impact on negating the DPS, I sometimes turn up with two Guardians to rep a freighter, you should actually have a go at this rather than theorycraft without having tried it. Join the Anti-Ganking channel and get involved, it can be fun, see it as it really is then think about the strategic advantage that being able to totally control the space means for freighter gankers.

I keep an eye on the Hauler Channel and I have seen a number of people say that there are a less freighters in space, I notice a lot of people do max skilled DST contracts instead, there you go Aaron a strike, or choice. I have not really noticed it myself in space, as I have been mucking around my area and not paying attention to the pipes for the past two weeks, but I hope it is true...

So TLDR The ease of ganking caused by the bumping mechanic goes against what I see as a tough harsh game, simple really.

" loser highsec lazy carebears"

My, how you think of other players. Did your eyes flash with rage as you typed that? Or is this projecting? Remember what they say about the Special Olympics? You may be the winner of Eve, but you are still an Eve player. You are on the same short bus.

Whatever happened to you IRL that made you this way, I'm glad it never happened to me.

Why should CCP put a brand new module in the game to let players escape from being, as Dracvlad put it, "Bad"?


If you are being bumped chances are you did all of the following:

1. You put too much cargo, in ISK value, into your freighter.
2. You didn't have a scout.
3. You didn't have a webber.
4. You didn't have somebody who could gank the bumper if you don't have 2 & 3 or just to be triple damn sure.

And I bet you also did the following as well:

5. Didn't tank your ship.
6. Didn't look to see how many ships were killed in Uedama/Niarja before undocking.
7. Put cargo expanders on your freighter.

When you have screwed up that many times...yes, eventually something bad will happen to you in game and quite frankly you deserve it.

I have not personally flown anything bigger than a battleship.

You are still centered on "being bumped". Proving Dracvlad right. BTW Dracvlad and I don't agree on everything, but he tends to be right more often about PVP and the only player I know who ever caught and killed an AFK cloaker.

He might be Chuck Norris.

Yes, they also slingshot themselves if you cyno a lot of them together or warp them.

Usually your kind tells us that ganking is risk free, that should suit you. So just gank the bumper?

You still going with this lie?

I like where you are going with this, a couple of things to bear in mind.

Titans and Supers no longer have immunity to disruptors and scams, but now have a bonus to warp core strength that could negate the need for bumping as a way to hold them for a HIC or DIC to get on them. Carriers and dreads can fit heavy points, therefore the need for bumping in null and elsewhere has reduced significantly.

In hisec you are only CONCORDED if you scram someone as a criminal act, in other words attacked them without declaring war by bribing CONCORD. Hisec is where the Empires seek to control conflict, people are merely avoiding war decs, however I do see the issue of freighters running around with impunity in NPC corps, but surely people can suicide scram those ships and then get the gank fleet on them at a gate, yeah it is hard, but doable and creates a more dynamic game with more interesting counter play.

So for me the question of whether one can remove bumping is still open, part of me thinks that CCP did that in terms of immunity as a precursor to remove bumping, I hope so.

You suggestions are interesting, other people have put those idea forward too in the past, something better than what we have currently.