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The 100m SP bitter-vet will most likely already have the prerequisites at 5, maybe 4, so if he wants to fly it shortly after release, he will no matter what. If he respecs, he might get a 1-month headstart for flying a ship that is going to be in the game for years...

..and besides, CCP could just limit new stuff so that it cannot be respecced into.

How do you feel about remaps?



also there is no minmatar hac skill

OP hides in dark corner and cries :)

True, but did You remember when they introduced:
- PI
- Gas Mining
- Noctis

Those are just an example of new stuff that are available to new player almost from the beggining.

I will not argue that many hi-level new stuff will always have vets in better position to use them - true




I use remaps, because they are there. I have mixed filling about using them. I agree that the moment they've removed ability to choose skills as You make new char it was inevitable.

as for HAC skills - touche :)

If it were there, I'd use it and be glad to get all those industrial skills off my sheet. I'd already be in a Proteus if I could respec a few skills. If it never comes about, I'm fine with that too.

The key word here is LIMITED. A limited respec to allow people to respec 1-2 million SP to correct noob mistakes or occupation changes wouldn't be a bad thing. Being able to respec from a miner to a carrier pilot in a day...that would be game-breaking.

edit: I wasn't around before there were attribute remaps, but I've got to say it's stupid to NOT have those. A new player shouldn't be punished for choosing an attribute set on Day 1 that turns out to not fit at all with the play style they developed over six months of play. My view on skill respecs is the same: I trained a lot of industrial and science skills before I realized those weren't what I wanted to do long-term. The opportunity to recover wasted SP would be welcome.

I now agree that respec'ing into New game-changers is bad. So, my updated position is that New Stuff should be off-limits for 2-3 months (or maybe based upon how long it would take to train normally). Iterations (such as giving infinipoints to supercarriers) could be included in this limit.

There should also be a limit to how many SP (maybe 5m per year, 500k per month or similar) that can be respec'ed, as I wrote earlier (just to get my full position down).

I can respec that (høhø).

Eve is a game in a competitive market. As the market is constantly changing, so EVE should be constantly developing. That's the facts of business. If tinkering with SP appeals to the market then tinkering there will be. If there are other MMO's who do or are doing something similar then it's natural that EVE will do the same.

And then I'll respec my player into Azeroth then eat a bullet because I'm playing wow.

Thats why alot of people play EVE, it doesnt follow the market, its dark and brutal and mistakes count for something here. If you make a mistake and blowup you lose your ship forever, you cant wait 15min and get it back. Our choices count for something, good or bad and we have to live with them. That is what makes EVE so great. Tough s**t that you skill trained like a noob for 2 months, maybe you should have found a corp to teach you what to skill train earlier.

No respec for nurfs. Respec only for skills removed from the game. You dont like it go play with your barbie dolls.

So I'm going to agree, and disagree, and also show you the parts you missed, but first, lets go over your examples:

Titans could still Doomsday after this change, so there wouldn't have been a need to give them these sp back.

Your example would have been better if they'd removed the DD.



If you maxed out missile training, all of the supporting skills went directly into the new weapons type, and you could always just get out of the ship and put those cruise missile skills to use in another ship.



Navigation skills work across all ships, what you're neglecting to see is that they did in fact pull all of the implant sets from everybody on the cluster, they weren't going to be as useful, so they gave you the option of plugging them back in or not.



You could still do PI after the change.



The carrier was still a carrier, why would they give you skill points back for it? If you'd have trained carrier 5, and they removed carriers, and didn't refund your SP, this would be a valid point.



You see, some of the SC pilots have been in SC's for years, they can't leave the ship, and they trained all those drone skills on purpose, they were stuck in the ship, there was nothing it could do but launch drones, so they maxed out their drones.

A closer comparison would be like, if they suddenly redid all the Amarr ships with no guns on them, no more lasers, just missiles. They would in fact give players those skill points back, as its a fairly radical change that has drastic consequences that disrupt years of training.

Its not the nerfing of single weapons system that you can take or leave, its the complete re-imagination of a platform, where 10+ million sp (minimum, some more like 15) are now absolutely worthless, and the pilot isn't able to just reship and use them in something else


ALL THAT SAID

That part goes on to talk about the alternative, which is dockable 0.0 stations for supers, which relieves some of the burden from the Supercarrier pilot, it then gives him the OPTION of using those skills that he's spent years training in a different platform, like the case with the Stealthbomber nerf you mentioned.


One way or another, the super pilots who've spent years in training just got pretty boned with that removal, it wouldn't be a blanket respec, it would likely be targeted at any pilot currently in a supercarrier.

I DEMAND BACK ALL MY DRAKE SKILLPOINTS

I WANT TO SPEND THEM ON TITAN

Well the big problem with the docking alternative is super carrier docking games.. *shivers*