Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this has nothing to do with screen real estate. The topic is about losing in game functionality from eve specific websites.

again with the security hole meme... I still have yet to hear of anyone with a legitimate security issue from the old IGB...

Sounds like a source of constant, unnecessary drama. Can you imagine the tantrum when minerbumping makes the cut, but the highsec militia's blog doesn't?



....supported.

This is what CREST is for. This is the reason CCP waited til CREST was functional before removing the IGB. You still get all the functionality, just in a third party browser.


The security reason is because that was one of the major reasons CCP had for removing the IGB, the fact that it was becoming a massive security issue. That and they simply didn't want to spend the króna to bring it up to date. Seriously, it was cheaper to develop and implement the CREST system than it was to maintain the IGB.

In essence, yes, it is. There is no way to give something access to the internet and not create a potential security problem that must then be maintained and dealt with.

Also, on top of that, if the browser just hard shuts down ads then you're asking for the hosts of those *third party* sites to pay for all of that bandwidth with no way to cover their own costs.

On top of that once you put a browser that can visit *some* sites you're going to have people demanding that *their* site be added to the list, and then CCP either has to play favorites (which equals mad players) or they're back supporting a browser again (which equals resources taken away from the game and, again, mad players).



This is just a fallacy. The people who would be working on a new map interface are exactly zero of the people involved in creating ship skins, so time spent on one doesn't detract from time spent on the other.

That said what you would be taking away from is other UI and bug fixes for an entirely new UI view and set of functionality that then needs to be maintained when, strictly speaking, it already exists out on that third-party site. While this might not seem like a lot of work the existing Dotlan site was a fair bit of work to get up to its current state in the first place, and web pages are a lot better at handling weird resolutions and other basic UI usability concerns than any in-game UI is going to be out of the box, because web browsers have about 30 years of development in that regard while any game UI is starting from scratch. On top of all of that the existing map data doesn't actually naturally nicely turn into the Dotlan layout. That layout was manually created years ago, so now CCP need to create and maintain that second set of map data, which could become a lot of 'fun' when (or if) player made Stargate connections enter the game.

All of that said some improvements to the map interface are pretty reasonable. Asking for the entire functionality of Dotlan to be added in, not so much.

May I suggest that this is something to contact your (or any) CSM representative about?



Um, well just for a start I could pull all sorts of fun API data if you clicked a box that said I could. That was all kinds of not allowed under the EULA, but that didn't mean it wasn't completely doable.

On top of that if I wanted to, for example, steal your login token then there were any number of ways to do that with a bad link. In fact there was nothing stopping the IGB from being vulnerable to most common web attacks and it was *horribly* out of date as well which meant it was potentially vulnerable to a lot of very old and well known exploits.

I've actually heard occasional stories about spammers posting bad links in trade-hub chat that would try to compromise your account. It didn't happen often, and CCP generally shut it down pretty hard when they heard about it, but it did happen even if infrequently.

Saying "well no one has an example..." in response to people telling you that an old, out dated, barely maintained browser is a security risk is like saying "It's fine, I don't see any invading armies!" when someone puts up plywood gates on your town... Just because the threat isn't obvious to you doesn't mean your precautions are fine!

In my own defense I did not include most of these because they do not "directly" affect the performance of the computer hardware.
But you are correct with more money to spend these things would definitely give some a better gaming experience. Heck with more money I could upgrade from the generic no name beer to bud, miller or dare I even think it something like a really nice craft brew. I might even be able to upgrade from Lays to a better potato chip. Such are the things dreams are made of.


What planet do you live on? Wiki Leaks, Anonymous and other hackers groups have repeatedly shown us that no matter how good the security there is always a way to get in, and they are getting into systems protect by the best equipment, software and a full time staff of cyber security experts, what chance does an organization like CCP have against them? The answer is they have no chance and that is why they removed the in game browser.