EVE General Discussion

Forgive my ignorance on the topic, but Isn't the gap between T1 and T2 frigs growing a little larger then it should already?

If T2 get a new boost, how many T1's will it take to kill one? We could probably at least then double that number if they are all Alpha players.

Kind of scary.

This is a good idea. Id like to see a small sig drop to this

EDIT: Oh I just mininecroed this. I rock!

Remove t3 ships.

Problem solved

Oh yay, necro thread..I love the smell of dead meat in the morning...

@ topic:
I don't think AFs need a role bonus- that would only force them into a distinct, specialized role and I happen to like the fact that they are mostly versatile all rounders.
But what needs to be done is take a good long look at each single AF and balance them on a ship by ship base- especially things like speed, PG and CPU should be adjusted for many ships.
And when I say "many", I mainly mean the Jaguar.
Sure, the eased fitting requirements for small arties helped a bit, and yet still I need perfect fitting skills and 2 fitting mods to fit the weapon system this ship was designed for. Adding insult to injury, here's CCP's official in game description of the Jag:

U WOT M8 ?????

During my time in Red vs Blue, we had many Frigate only themed weekends. Some allowed only T1. Some allowed pirate and faction but no T2 drugs. Most allowed all.

One thing I saw repeatedly was that in weekends were T2 were not allowed, the pirate frigate reigned supreme. The problem with this was the cost of the pirate frigs. Those who could afford them had a great weekend. Those with less isk could only hope to fly in fleets and pray there was no all pirate frig fleet already out there.

Yet a strange thing happened when we allowed all frigs including T2. The dominance of the pirate frigs diminished. Yes they were still strong but the T2 could balance out against the faction. Yes Assault frigs are harder to skill into but the lower cost opened more doors for most players.

Given all that, the simplest way to fix Assault Frigs is to let T2 frigate into faction warfare Novice plexes. AFs gain a new role, pirate frigates in novice pieces have a counter, and AFs have a new place to play.

AF were heavily used before t3d came around, to the point where they were an effective and much loved fleet doctrine. Pre T3D you could find many whine threads from people getting popped by the likes of the ishkur and the vengeance was a well known damage sponge.

T3D have invalidated a lot of ship classes from t1 frigates right up the the stabber.

So the few years where I had to adapt my megathon to fly in harpy fleet while they ripped other, far heavier fleets didn't happen? The dual MASB hawk and god tank vengeance were never complained about in FW? the Enyo didn't hit things like a hand grenade?



Stabber is out classed by the svipul even after the nerf. Hell, thanks to the added e-war resistance the only small ships that could mess with them have been neutered so there is nothing at or below destroyers than can compete now.

They were given an AB bonus, it lead to some horribly overpowered setups

Highlighted the issue.

the problem isnt AF, its the extremely overpowered t3d they have added. Before these 4 ships were added we enjoyed the most balanced lineup in EVEs history. I loved my vengeance, it was a little sod to kill but t3d came along and simply out tank, out gun, fly faster and shoot at greater range. Much like their cruiser cousins t3d simply invalidate everything around them.

If you really want to see something that has been completely invalidated just look at the T1 destroyers.

I'd rather have damp immunity. Weapon disrupt immunity would kind of suck for Ishkur..