EVE General Discussion

There are a number of counters to bumping, the first is gank the bumper, after that they get quite difficult to pull off, especially against skilled bumpers, sorry this is a fundamental disagreement, there is no effective counter to a bumper who is making the gank too easy and who is also using game mechanics to do it consequence free. You and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Webbing is not a counter to an on going bump, and neither is counter bumping if you are talking about blocking or counter bumping a Macherial, I have tried both actually and bumping a fast moving and agile target to enable a slow moving and heavily bumped freighter to into warp to a interceptor in the way he is being bumped is very difficult to pull off. I have been in only two saves where this happened.

Yes people could get better at it, but it would take a dedicated group of people playing all out at it like gankers do to be able to skill up for it and as there is no reward I doubt it...

Just to help total loser highsec lazy carebears, you'd screw lowsec, null and wormhole use of bumping.

You're a ******* genius. Not.

I have webbed a lot of freighters, it is not as simple as webbing it as soon as it decloaks, timing is important and as I pointed out earlier all that has to happen is that a suicide point gets hold of it and the bumper gets on it.

Counter bumping is something I looked at for a while, it is true I did not fit up a Macherial to be as effective, but the simple fact is that I am not bumping a slow moving large object, but a fast moving and agile one. The order of difficulty is so much greater, I did try this which is why I was starting to get amazed at your assumption that I had not, I even tried getting a screen of BS in between the bumper and the freighter.

But it still gets back to a simple issue, the bumping itself which is a no consequence point which puts the gankers in total strategic ownership of the game play, this is the issue, I want them to gank freighters, but they have to work for it, in other words not the oh I have locked them into place I checked his fit and this is what we need, oh two reppers are there use SB's sort of game, but a fast action gank on the gate on a targeted freighter, not a stacked up load of freighters bumped for a long period of time. That is the part I am saying is not in the spirit of Eve, do you see where I am coming from?

And let me remind people of this post the OP Teckos believes that ganking will end if bumping is stopped, talk about entitled losers, seriously, doesn't this say everything that you need to know about how easy it makes it, Teckos is an immensely arrogant poster because he thinks he is more intelligent then he is which makes him come out with stupid truths, this showed the mind set to everyone who has a brain, ganking will end if they cannot bump, are they really that bad at Eve?

Did Dracvlad ever post that data? No? What a shock. A complete liar if there ever was one.

I think its inane I can indefinitely bump another player from one side of an EVE system to another.

Losing a hauler and losing the cargo/collateral+ reward is certainly a huge setback.
I dont think anyone will dispute that.

But the same Golden Rules apply as they do to everyone else in EVE, which Im surprised I have not seen it iterated even once in this thread yet.

Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.

And just as importantly, take as many precautions as you can.

This is no different for haulers than anyone else.

Sooner or later, you WILL explode. And yes, it might be potentially a disastrous loss.

Fortunately for haulers, the data indicates the chance of this occurring to you, personally, is vanishingly small.
I was surprised how small it is, compared to the amount of whine on this issue.

Hey Drac, exactly who is the Ganker CSM rep? You still haven't told me and I have grievances to air.

You can only do that people who do nothing to protect themselves.

This right here is the heart of the matter. people are upset that a group of players dedicating their time, effort, and "playing all out at it" should be countered by a single player not wanting to put the time and effort in to fly safely.

The only device in the game that comes EVEN CLOSE is the rorquals panic module... but that doesn't STOP the dedicated group, it just buys the pilot some time to call for backup. which requires that they have a dedicated group of their own. and the counter balance to that is that the hull alone costs 2-3 times that of a freighter, they cannot jump into high-sec, and while the module is active they are unable to move.

y'know what I might be willing to see as an acceptable compromise actually. a new type of techII freighter. one that has the same cargo capacity as a regular one, maybe even give it a larger capacity. better tank, hell maybe even give it slightly faster align time, and let it fit a panic module for emergencies but would not have its own jump drive generator. (would have to rely on titan or pos bridges). give it a material cost in line with that of the rorqual, and give it the same restrictions against entering high-sec.

There yah go, a freighter that is "immune" to bumping. and will be much MUCH harder to kill... well as long as you have friends who can come save your ass when **** goes south that is.

Alternatively, give it the same stats as a JF, but can fit a panic module instead of a jump drive. except that the panic module will flag you suspect. If you are on your toes about it, you could activate the module as soon as the gank starts and save yourself, you would be stuck where you are until the module de-cycles though. and since you are flagged suspect you would be vulnerable to the gankers coming back to finish the job... but it would also buy you some time to rally assistance to get you out of there as well.

What I find funny about this is the same thing could be said of a titan in bubbles. A bubbled titan could be kept there all damn day. Not much you can do except hope the rescue fleet succeeds.

The point is once the titan is bubbled...well it is kinda screwed.

Same thing with bumping. Once you are getting bumped...you are kind of screwed. The counter, like with the titan and bubbles is: don't end up in that situation.