Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So typically, in sci-fi and naval stories, when a ship does something especially legendary, it usually gets a title to make it stand out. It's what makes the NCC-1701 the USS Enterprise, the YT-1300 the Millennium Falcon, and the USS Constitution Old Ironsides. So my idea is to have something similar for Eve ships. That is, to have special titles appear either before or in lieu of the ship's hull name if they've done particularly amazing, even possibly providing small additional bonuses.

Titles would be like kill marks and would be lost upon repackaging. If bonuses were provided, they would be shown in the ship's description next to role bonuses and such. It could be made so that ships could only have one bonus, and players choose which title their ship has to get a certain bonuses, or that bonuses would stack. Bonuses would add things like +3% to ship's tracking speed or damage, +5% to ship velocity, etc. and would be related to how you got the title.

Getting the title would have to be difficult, to the point of being pretty rare, in order to make farming titles not particularly worth it and to make them extra special. For example, blowing up X number of ships in PvP while averaging a certain velocity may give you a bonus to speed. Managing to blow up X number of ships way outside of optimal may give you a boost to optimal or falloff range, managing to blow up X number of ships significantly smaller and/or faster than you may give a bonus to tracking speed or lock time, and so on.

I feel like these bonuses would make each ship that got them cool and unique from other ships of the same hull. It could also give a unique edge in battles that would be fairly balanced otherwise, and could potentially help with the N+1 problem if enough titled ships formed a large fleet (after all, it makes sense that a lot of legendary ships piloted by experienced capsuleers and ship crews would have an edge over the average fleet)

So I dump 300 shuttles in a safespot and have my dreadnaught blast them all and I get +5% tracking?

I then dump 300 more, and blast them while microwarping and get +5% speed?


If you make it so that corp/alliance kills don't count then I'll do everything with an alt and mark that alt Red beforehand.


No matter how you spin this, there's a way to exploit it. If there's a way to exploit it, you can guarantee that people will.

Nah, all that would do is make the brain in the box very sad.

-1 to giving ships titles, we can assign each ship a name simply use that as your title.

-1 to bonuses given because speed, blowing stuff up or whatever. Those with the top flight skills to win fights consistently do not need the added advantage, and others would get benefits from these that they do not deserve. One role my low sec character fills is a damage boost if you will, he simply hangs around the fight cloaked and can be called in IF needed to break a tank, or disrupt a logi chain so he often gets a single volley on a ship that in reality was killed by others and yet with your idea he would gain advantage from that minimal involvement, while I would like this it is not a good idea.



Your opinion and worth whatever because of that, so here is my opinion.
Typical arrogant, self important attitude of many in the PvP crowd. Your play style of blowing stuff up has no more or no less worth than those who spend their time mining or searching for and hacking various sites throughout the game. Point here is that no one play style is "more" important than any other, and the "worth" of any particular play style is based on what each person wants out of this game. Some like you obviously enjoy blowing up other peoples stuff, and there are those in the game that do not care about blowing up anything they are traders, miners and the list goes on. And yes you would be right to some degree they are dependent on your blowing stuff up, but the reverse is also true you are dependent on some character some where mining and manufacturing the things you need or the stuff you blow up.

And what are you spending that money on?

Shiny modules? More spaceships?

And what do you think controls the pricing of those spaceships? What makes your Astero worth more than your Imicus?

I'm not your typical arrogant pvper. Go ahead, check my corp's killboards. You're find very little record of anything because unlike your blanket assumption that I'm an 'arrogant pvper' you'll find that I run a hisec industry corporation that sources its materials in wormhole space and light piracy.

I am not the person you think I am, but my opinion remains unchanged.

I am FULLY aware of the economic push and pull because neither I nor the people in my corp engage in PvP for killmails. That's why we don't post them. It engenders a toxic culture that encourages wasting ISK. Specifically, my ISK. And I hate it when people waste my ISK. I work very hard for it.

What I do is pay my employees for the work they do. That work involves a broad spectrum of activity from exploration to industry to mining to economically focused ship and market PVP and I can confidently say that yes, every action of worth in EVE involves exploding one or the other party's spaceship (or, more recently, space station).

Exploding spaceships are why I can sell the same products to the same customers over and over again. Exploding spaceships are why I have to buy more than five mining ships. Exploding spaceships are why what I take in from wspace and what I produce are valuable. Exploding spaceships are why I pay my miners to mine not once ever, but every time they haul in ore for me. Exploding spaceships are how my explorers get all the relic sites in a system in stead of however many the other guy didn't get to first. Exploding spaceships are how I turn the inattention of other people in to money for my people. Exploding spaceships are what prevent me from handing out shiny t3cs and capitals to every person in my corp.

Exploding spaceships are the only reason it is possible for my corp to sustain itself in an environment that is actively hostile to literally every activity we undertake, with operations both larger and more sophisticated, and with a lot more guns.

If it weren't for all the exploding spaceships I couldn't run my business and neither could anybody else, large or small.

You're conflating the term "worth" with an expression of moral value. You misunderstand. when I say "every action of worth" I'm describing a much more direct meaning of the word. I'm talking about financial worth.

People very rarely buy new spaceships because they just want a new spaceship. They buy new spaceships because someone blew up the old one. That system is the foundation for the entire EVE economy. it's why salvage from exploration, ore from mining, modules from industry, blueprints from LP, and indeed anything in EVE has any worth at all.

Either your spaceship exploded and you have to expend a significant amount of your personal worth to replace it, or someone else exploded and is transferring their worth to you to replace it.

EVE already heavily incentivizes NOT getting spaceships blown up. Not getting a spaceship blown up for a long time is its own reward that pays out in a more favorable positive ISK value. This value can turn toward existing stat multipliers that further enhance the ship, but in doing so you are putting that worth at greater risk by flying it around in space in stead of keeping it in a wallet or hangar.

The problem with titles as multipliers is simply that they are opportunities for an earnings advantage without a corresponding risk. That alone is the best argument against them within the design space of EVE.

god my smartbombing machariel would be soo op

PopeUrban
You are correct, I responded to your comment based on an assumption and that a poor thing for me to do.
Thank you for responding in a polite and logical fashion instead of responding in kind.
You asked many questions that deserve answers.

Like most I have many characters in this game and they are spread all over the EvE universe and doing many things.
I spend ISK feeding the PvP habits of the low sec group I am part of, a group that actively seeks out and tries to convert high sec dwellers and turn them into low sec pirates.

I spend a lot of ISK through this and my other high sec characters helping new players to get a start in this game, and by donating ISK and other items to new player support groups in the game like The Angel Project and The Magic School BUs to name but a few.

But the basics of my point still stand and your post serves to prove it. Without the industrial players in this game there would be no PvP, and without the PvP the industrial players would find severely restricted markets for the things they make.

Ok, I'm going to be pedantic for a minute.

Enterprise and Millennium Falcon are not titles, they're the ships' names. NCC-1701 is the Enterprise's naval construction contract number (it's basically the hull number). If you look at modern navies, ships are done in much the same way - they have a hull number, and a name.

YT-1300 is the Falcon's model number. There were a great many YT-1300's floating around. My supposition is that the Falcon has some kind of unique registration number or id (probably a transponder code).

Old Ironsides is a nickname, and has been applied to several things, and at least one person.