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make high sec incursion sites pvp zones
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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#1 - 2012-01-19 21:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
Whatever tech Sansha are using to circumvent CONCORD and Navy effectiveness should extend to capsuleers.

Not only does this make sense in an immersive way but it also places high sec incursion income in line with that of low sec (and null to a lesser extent) but it also provides opt-in PvP for high sec dwellers in lieu of the Dec shield mechanics that nullify a lot of high sec PVP opportunity.

For those that don't like the inherent risk of PvP there are still decent income sources available in safer empire.

Edit: This provides a suitable risk versus reward considering L4 missions earn a conservative 20m per hour but incursions give a conservative 60-70m per hour.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#2 - 2012-01-19 21:47:56 UTC
I must say I really like your idea.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Hannibalx
#3 - 2012-01-19 22:05:08 UTC
+1 Outstanding idea.
Buff Jesus
#4 - 2012-01-19 22:05:09 UTC
Would this be a registering to enter the fun kind of thing or a temporary 0.0 in high sec? I'd hate to be the person who's home turf got turned into a lawless war zone overnight.

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saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-19 22:11:49 UTC
you mean, make them easy gank sites. a falcon or 2 jamming out logi's at a oportune time could cost someone billions of isk. -1 V.Bad idea!

Eve as it currently stands needs to make itself easily affordable to more gamers. As time goes by more and more games are getting releassed/becoming F2P and eve certainly is falling behind

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Buff Jesus
#6 - 2012-01-19 22:15:22 UTC
I have yet to see a game that became f2p for a good reason and those that start that way are either bland (guild wars) or crappy item mall mmo's.

New Favorite Eve Hobby: Bumping BS's with a Crow.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#7 - 2012-01-19 22:20:05 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
you mean, make them easy gank sites. a falcon or 2 jamming out logi's at a oportune time could cost someone billions of isk. -1 V.Bad idea!

Eve as it currently stands needs to make itself easily affordable to more gamers. As time goes by more and more games are getting releassed/becoming F2P and eve certainly is falling behind


Low sec runners have counters to this and since you could shoot anyyone in these sites... So could you.

I don't understand why you bring free to play into this so I apologise but I cant comment on what you mean

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2012-01-19 22:22:41 UTC
Buff Jesus wrote:
Would this be a registering to enter the fun kind of thing or a temporary 0.0 in high sec? I'd hate to be the person who's home turf got turned into a lawless war zone overnight.


I meant 'pvp zone' within the incursion sites only, not in the affected systems. That would be unreasonable to me.

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Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#9 - 2012-01-19 22:25:40 UTC
Have to say, I kind of dig this idea.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#10 - 2012-01-19 22:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
saltrock0000 wrote:

Eve as it currently stands needs to make itself easily affordable to more gamers. As time goes by more and more games are getting releassed/becoming F2P and eve certainly is falling behind


Eve is already F2P, it's called Plex, however the incursion farming is making plexes unaffordable. One of the basic arguments is that incursion farming lets people afford plexes. However this in turn increases demand and thus actually increases the price of plexes as the supply remains relatively unchanged. Eventually the prices will reach a balance where one still has to farm to afford 600mil plexes as much as it used to require to farm l4 missions to afford the once 300mil plexes.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#11 - 2012-01-19 22:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
saltrock0000 wrote:
you mean, make them easy gank sites. a falcon or 2 jamming out logi's at a oportune time could cost someone billions of isk.


Yes - that's called risk vs. reward - If you run profit-maximized pirate faction BS gangs to sytematically farm isk, you take a higher risk for an increased reward.

Losing a couple of T2 fitted T1 BS and Logis every now and then however isn't an issue and is easily outweighed by the enormous profits incursions provide.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Vigrioth Stoneclaw
Daskak Verskaffers
#12 - 2012-01-19 22:54:51 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Whatever tech Sansha are using to circumvent CONCORD and Navy effectiveness should extend to capsuleers.

Not only does this make sense in an immersive way but it also places high sec incursion income in line with that of low sec (and null to a lesser extent) but it also provides opt-in PvP for high sec dwellers in lieu of the Dec shield mechanics that nullify a lot of high sec PVP opportunity.

For those that don't like the inherent risk of PvP there are still decent income sources available in safer empire.

Edit: This provides a suitable risk versus reward considering L4 missions earn a conservative 20m per hour but incursions give a conservative 60-70m per hour.


Thinly veiled attempt to bypass CONCORD. -1. Incursions need to be fixed, I agree, but this isn't a good way to do it. Oh and um...WoW...thataway >. You're basically just trying to create Wintergrasp in Eve. For shame Spank, I've always held you in such high regard too.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#13 - 2012-01-19 22:55:43 UTC
Makes total sense tbh. If concord with their wtfgodpwnmobiles cant stop incursions, why should they be able to stop capsuleers in an incursion?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#14 - 2012-01-19 23:02:45 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Whatever tech Sansha are using to circumvent CONCORD and Navy effectiveness should extend to capsuleers.

.


All rats use the same magic/tech to escape concord. All you are doing is trying to make hi sec into NULL sec. Just as stupid an idea as having all empires borders being lo sec.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#15 - 2012-01-19 23:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
Vigrioth Stoneclaw wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Whatever tech Sansha are using to circumvent CONCORD and Navy effectiveness should extend to capsuleers.

Not only does this make sense in an immersive way but it also places high sec incursion income in line with that of low sec (and null to a lesser extent) but it also provides opt-in PvP for high sec dwellers in lieu of the Dec shield mechanics that nullify a lot of high sec PVP opportunity.

For those that don't like the inherent risk of PvP there are still decent income sources available in safer empire.

Edit: This provides a suitable risk versus reward considering L4 missions earn a conservative 20m per hour but incursions give a conservative 60-70m per hour.


Thinly veiled attempt to bypass CONCORD. -1. Incursions need to be fixed, I agree, but this isn't a good way to do it. Oh and um...WoW...thataway >. You're basically just trying to create Wintergrasp in Eve. For shame Spank, I've always held you in such high regard too.


I appreciate what you are saying but this is hardly a 'thinly veiled' effort, I thought it was rather transparent. It doesnt make the entirety of high sec a 'gank zone' but rather turns the currently contested high-income zero risk incursions into something more akin to low sec combat, but with equal inherent rewards. I dont think you need to be so paranoid as what I propose only affects those seeking high reward PVE... but with a risk of PVP, and as for making incursions impossible, you only have to look at the success some people have with low sec incursions to understand that this isnt simply making incursions gank-zones but rather areas of opportunity in high sec.

EDIT: I might look into what Wintergrasp is but I doubt it's relevant to Eve,

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-01-20 00:04:21 UTC
No one would be in the zone except for 600 pirates hoping to catch noobs who wondered through, and while waiting massive pirate battles would break out and the zone would turn into........


0.0



I understand you're desire to gank people, but the noob target utopia you forsee wouldn't happen.

Don't violence me bro!
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#17 - 2012-01-20 00:11:56 UTC
If you want to compete with people in highsec incursions, get a fleet together and outgun them.

Simple.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-20 00:15:57 UTC
Great idea.

+1
Signho
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-20 00:24:58 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
If you want to compete with people in highsec incursions, get a fleet together and outgun them.

Simple.


you are missing the point of the OP.

I am totally for this.

No risk should equal small reward.
Freelance Services
#20 - 2012-01-20 00:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Freelance Services
INCURSION SHOULD RESULT IN SYSTEM SEC STATUS DROP

Common CONCORD, you set the security status for a system dont you? You have a full scale invasion and you don't drop the sec status?

All incursion systems should have their sec status drop to low security [with 24hours notice]. Why should people be able to do PI and feel 100% moving thier cargo around in a system where an incursion is taking place? [without risk[

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