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Does CCP want me to create 100 Alpha Accounts?

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#21 - 2016-12-21 15:27:28 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
speaking of speculation, it's been said these daily gifts are an attempt at getting players to log in. With the 24 hour timer and all. Problem with that tinfoil is you don't have to log in a character, and you can claim the gift by click and dragging over a portrait in character selection.


Sssh. Are you trying to ruin my tinfoil hat business?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#22 - 2016-12-21 15:29:53 UTC
I knew a game that made incentives to create one time accounts every time the studio got sold or management changed. The black suits are easily fooled it seems. Ask yourself: If you were a Dev and could get a bonus for raising log ins at the end of a month.. what would you do :)
Memphis Baas
#23 - 2016-12-21 15:46:13 UTC
The booster can be used by veterans daily (or every other day, if you have high Biology skill) to up your attributes +10 until Jan 20. Total extra SP is about 650k, basically an injector. Because of the training speed reduction that alphas get, it's kinda useless to them, but they can get 30-50 million ISK if they sell it, which is a decent sum.

In any case, yeah it's somewhat unbelievable that CCP still doesn't realize what the playerbase will do with a tradeable skill-anything, or what the effect of "give a single random skin" (vs. "give everybody all the skins") is in terms of alpha accounts created.

But I do see attempts to give good gifts, too, with the 300 AUR and reduction of a lot of the NEX prices to 100-300 AUR. Honestly, the NEX skins should have been priced this way from the beginning; maybe they're finally understanding how to price their brown and gritty stuff.
kardjaval
Curtana Joyeuse and Durendal Security
#24 - 2016-12-21 16:12:21 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Just curious here: what from gifts we have received already actually trades for 30-50M ISK? Shocked
Not talking about accelerator. I'm pretty sure it will be given only once per event.

We got some skins and avatar stuff and i believe with amount of such items given they will worth less than 1M ISK?


2x a random skin, which trade at the 30M mark, 1x the booster which trades at 50M today and the 300 AUR yesterday (not confirmed for Alphas), so far ...

If the booster is a one time thing, expect the value to skyrocket, because one will work until January 20th and you need a new one every 2 days.

my alpha all got the 300 aur
Rain6637
Simulacra and Simulation
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2016-12-21 22:24:16 UTC
Gregorius Goldstein wrote:
I knew a game that made incentives to create one time accounts every time the studio got sold or management changed. The black suits are easily fooled it seems. Ask yourself: If you were a Dev and could get a bonus for raising log ins at the end of a month.. what would you do :)

that's basically the wells fargo scandal. Employees had new account quotas (or was it bonuses) and to satisfy them they started creating new accounts themselves.

If new accounts were the intent with the accelerators that's kind of impressive. It's crowdsourcing the inflated activity reports. And unlike gift boxes in redeeming system, transferring items requires a login. The number of these accounts can't be that high, though so I just don't know. I'm on the fence.
Salvos Rhoska
#26 - 2016-12-21 22:40:47 UTC
My laziness is losing me isk :(
Izchadie
Ministerstvo na otbranata
#27 - 2016-12-21 22:46:34 UTC
I have more than 30 accounts and it's so painful cycling through them all, can't imagine 100 or even 1000...No matter the profit, nothing can justify so much labor. Not for me. I am staying out of this business. More for the others I guess. Big smile
Doddy
Excidium.
#28 - 2016-12-21 22:59:35 UTC
Yes, since every user means they can add another dollar to the sale.
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-12-21 23:48:05 UTC
Not sure how I feel about this, especially after making sure my account was Omega around the holidays to receive any kind of good reward to be given. Just to find out instead I should of been making a pile of free accounts instead, where I could receive more gifts of equal value.
That's the part that stings a bit, not that Alphas get gifts its that they get the same gifts.

Not a trend I would recommend for the future.
Tallslut No-Panties
Thirty Pieces of Silver
#30 - 2016-12-21 23:50:25 UTC
This is why we can't have nice things (and why I'd prolly drive the minivan into a lake to drown the kids if I had any).

For the love of... just accept your gifts and be happy.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#31 - 2016-12-22 00:26:56 UTC
I pity CCP having to walk on the fine line between pleasing idiots who want things NOW NOW NOW, MOAR FREE STUFF and those other idiots who are always looking for some clever way to scab a crumb out of the pavement cracks so they can congratulate themselves on their cleverness.
Customers can be extremely objectionable critters but there's no need to be zombie prostitutes about it all.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#32 - 2016-12-22 01:10:43 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Yes, since every user means they can add another dollar to the sale.

The reality is this might be a good case. Look see how many new accounts are being added!! And as now ALL accounts STAY on the books as active for counting purposes it would mean a huge influx in accounts even if there are never used later on. So in the end for CCP its a smart move and lucrative for certain players.Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2016-12-23 06:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
March rabbit wrote:
Just curious here: what from gifts we have received already actually trades for 30-50M ISK? Shocked
Not talking about accelerator. I'm pretty sure it will be given only once per event.

We got some skins and avatar stuff and i believe with amount of such items given they will worth less than 1M ISK?


I've made around 4 billion isk off the presents so far, (non-intentionally, I just wanted all the youl festival skins) the accelerator and the "random" youl festival skins run for between 20-70m atm each, depending on which ones you get. They really should have limited it to omega accounts to prevent this.

But then maybe this was CCP's plan, to artificially increase account numbers astronomically.

PS: I know some alpha account newbies who made 10+ billion isk off these. Talk about some starter cash. I predict some alpha newbie out there is shopping for a supercarrier right now. :P
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#34 - 2016-12-23 13:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I wanted to sell some stuff, but now I think about keeping these items. At least some of them. Few SKINs are astonishingly good looking on ships. Vodka is a great thing to have at New Eden cocktail parties, so i will keep those tanks of Kaalakiota Peaks too.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2016-12-23 13:57:56 UTC
I'm pretty sure for the amount of effort that would take, you could make just as much if not more isk doing level 4's.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-12-23 14:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
Aiwha wrote:
I'm pretty sure for the amount of effort that would take, you could make just as much if not more isk doing level 4's.


Actually no, I ran the math and calculated the time required, it made about 2x as much as running level 4's in a maxed out marauder. Hell it was close to incursion income for the time investment required. (Keep in mind you can skip the tutorial.)

This in itself wasn't the point, this system let day 1 newbies to the game paying nothing to earn enough isk to pay for 8-9 plexes. Basically the better part of a free year of omega status. (Granted it must have been soul tearing to do that for 12 hours straight. I barely could suffer through 5 hours of it myself.)
Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot
Darwinism.
#37 - 2016-12-25 15:02:14 UTC
So.. Tinfoil..

I have 175 accounts currently all laid out on a Spreadsheet I was training them to use for various things as well as to train up and sell over time..

It took me alot of time to go threw all of them and collect all the things.. But as CCP can see if they wanted to look.. Most of my alphas have 2 mil sp or more as I am training them up for things.. I also have 175 Codes readys to plug in sense they went on sale for 5.99.. Unfortunatly I missed the first few days of the event but I got a hefty few dollars from it.. SO worth it..

Doubtful..

Free..

Yes..
Cardinal 5in
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2016-12-25 16:24:32 UTC
Amarrian Alpha, Yes I got free stuff same as Omega accounts,

Skill training thing was sold for 50 mil and I got a load of skins, Maulus, Vexor and a couple of Talwar, the common theme is that none of those were amarrian so they get sold for isk which is more useful to me than a non racial ship skin.

Yes I got some skins which weren't my cup of tea, I'm not going to complain.

Did I sell some stuff ? Of course I did, I can afford to play around and try out Low and Null security space, maybe see/join a big battle somewhere.

I am grateful CCP gave me free items to do with as I wish, it's their game.

Enjoy the wonderful complex game they have given us, Enjoy the free holiday items,

Merry Christmas everyone Big smile
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-12-25 17:18:15 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
I'm pretty sure for the amount of effort that would take, you could make just as much if not more isk doing level 4's.


Actually no, I ran the math and calculated the time required, it made about 2x as much as running level 4's in a maxed out marauder. Hell it was close to incursion income for the time investment required. (Keep in mind you can skip the tutorial.)

This in itself wasn't the point, this system let day 1 newbies to the game paying nothing to earn enough isk to pay for 8-9 plexes. Basically the better part of a free year of omega status. (Granted it must have been soul tearing to do that for 12 hours straight. I barely could suffer through 5 hours of it myself.)


CCP is trying to encourage new players by getting them hooked at first so they can get more money later. Right now if you're a newbro in this game you could easily spend a few hundred dollars for PLEX/AUR to buy SP, clothes, skins, ships, and modules to fit them.

IMO they're pushing towards a pay to play model where every action you do costs ISK. Things like docking, using a jump clone, getting full DPS or tank on your ships will cost you ISK. I'm sure they are dozens more but it's early and I can't think of them at the moment LOL. Instead of spending a billion ISK for a subscription they can nickel and dime you out of ten times that amount.

It's not going to happen overnight but will be a slow transition that will take years. I'm not sure if it will work on a PC game but it's possible. I know it works on phone games where people spend thousands to play.
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