EVE General Discussion

Maybe include a similar feature for logi pilots, similar to the space marines in Aliens.
Small portraits of the capsuleers on your watchlist together with mock data like heart rate and adrenaline level- and every time somebody dies, the portrait is replaced with image noise and the EKG goes into a flatline with an unnerving beeeeeep sound....

This is a very good observation.

A lot of folks seem to think that WiS is a new idea, or that some new game coming out will finally implement it (for example, SC). But actually WiS is not new, and has been implemented in many other games in the past. With much the same results as Silivar Karkun mentions.

E&B started with it, and people really wanted it to be removed or made optional. X:Rebirth started with it, and one of the most popular mods released is its complete removal.


I think people say they want WiS, because its not there and their EVE experience didn't start with it. If it had WiS from the start, I think we'd all be talking about how to bypass it completely.

hell yeah. Discussing something out in the forums, having an idea, and then polishing the idea into a visual suggestion in Features and Ideas is a really good process. Been doing this lately myself.

Are you good with graphics? If you want some help I'm up for it. Best contact would be Discord, and scc-lounge channel https://discord.gg/a2CNQZN

mail me in game or better yet if you have twitter https://twitter.com/Rainfleet

I think the most lasting roadblock to WiS, even before the dissatisfaction and rioting, is the narrative. I want to believe the Greed is Good memo was facetious but it was still an inappropriate response to the controversy.

Simon Sinek has some excellent TED talks about how successful leaders and companies start with the "why." https://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action

The short of it is people believe in something if they know why it's being done, and especially if it's for a deeper reason (than a simple profit motive).

A company will have a profit motive. That's totally obvious and it would be ridiculous to argue otherwise. But under that top-most layer there are (hopefully) inspired people who are doing something because it makes them happy, or it's their calling. Because it's what they love.

In terms of avatar dev or vanity items, conveying this passion would look like dev spotlight videos where the progress is shown, and you can tell the person / people want to make a kick-ass product. You can probably guess and be confident that level of interest in quality bleeds into other aspects of development.

With things like art, or performance, or engineering, or programming, or chem, biology, physics, math, these are things you get good at by doing it because you love it. Doing it as a passion probably means you're not doing it just because you want to make money.

And then there's that unfortunate leak. I can forgive that as a player but can you imagine what that's like as an original recipient? I've had a boss who was overtly stingy and motivated by money, and it's the kind of thing that makes you consider finding another job.

That person is still there.

I think you could still overcome the "why" with reallllly super sick awesome game dev. Like if you just can't deny the cool factor of work-in-progress updates and you're just like, "holy **** that is ******* bad ASS!" But comparatively that kind of impact is hard to make. Look around and there's a lot of other cool **** going on elsewhere.

It's an uphill battle and there's this huge black mark on the culture and the narrative.

I think Simon Sinek's ideas about the importance of believing in the "why" is real and unconscious. So while it's irrational, we still look for reasons to justify our feelings. "Didn't need that anyway."

In this case it's demonizing avatar gameplay. But that really don't compute when before this monocle thing, players cheered at preview videos of dismounted exploration and avatar gameplay.

So. I think the issue is a problem of narrative. It's made us critical not just of avatar dev but of the game in general. It wasn't that avatar gameplay was pointless, or bad, or a waste. What upset us was the "why."

Yeah I know. :-/

Soundwave is my favorite CCP. Always explained things and you knew there was a good reason. Instilled confidence.

That Chimera redesign, has that gone live? That's a nice new shiny.

I think something is lacking in those observations.



Observe what they were. They were bad implementations. From bad graphics, lack of clear direction in creation of avatar gameplay, to a poor amount of stuff important to make it a meaningfull experience.

We can kill other people, but we cant have natural breasts with nipplez and slot machines. What is wrong with the world?

Has everyone forgotten what happened when Captains Quarters first came out? You'd dock, and immediately be forced out of your ship, out of your pod, and onto that little balcony overlooking the dock. People went utterly batpoop crazy (and for good reason) until CCP swiftly backtracked. Walking in Stations is a fine idea in theory, but if you take even the most cursory look at it from a technology standpoint, or from a funding standpoint for that matter, then the whole thing collapses completely.

Would I love to be able to leave that broom cupboard we have? Damn straight I would. Would I like CCP to spend god knows how much money and time developing it, only for it to have almost zero purpose beyond literally walking around? No. No I would not. I'd much rather they push the spaceships part of the game as far as technology allows first. If they want to do WiS after that, I'll back them all the way.

I participated in the Jita riots, but it had nothing to do with walking in stations, I actually loved the idea. My issues were with the every creeping pay2win direction eve was and still is heading in. Sadly all we accomplished was slowing it down, since money (greed) is the only driving force for a company. We only slowed it down by making eve online lose 25% of it's entire income basically overnight.

Anyway, I would love to see WIS get finished some day, I really wanted to play in a in-game casino and bar, which would be infinitely better than ship spinning.

I believe wis could have a place if it can be an interesting experience on its own and have a relevant connection with eve, so I will give it a try to present an initial concept based on some points that I think are important:

- A purpose of having wis in relation to eve

- Having an element of danger and risk vs reward, similar and familiar to that in eve, but still different in its own way in order for it to have a purpose

- Making a connection with eve that influences in eve only those wanting to engage in it, eve will go on as normal next to it, without particularly benefitting or having disadvantages from spending time either place.

- Through the connection with eve, rely on the content that exists there, in order to reduce the amount of content needed to be made for wis.

- The ideas should also make sense lore wise and add a possibility for a future link, at least on a high level, to Nova and Valkyrie


Background:

Station owners have made areas in stations accessible to capsuleers, in an attempt to increase standings and relations, and to be attractive for business at the station. Due to the unsolved problem with air not being decontaminated, areas with the same air systems as in the CQ have been opened.

These areas in stations don’t allow weapons and have automated security systems that can anticipate threatening movements, so melee combat isn’t possible either, the systems will stun you in an instant should one attempt. In a future scenario, this seems most realistic to me. Besides, you already will have this (weapon and melee) type of combat in Nova. But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t any danger and risk, attacking someone is still possible, it’s just not possible in the way one would necessarily expect.

Because while the station systems can prevent weapons and melee, it cannot stop threats it cannot visualize happening.

Capsuleers have some implants that are essential, that are separate from and are on a more fundamental level than those you can add in eve which enhance your attributes. Of these essential implants, one is central to capsuleers’ extra processing power (P-implant), making them able to control on their own many aspects of piloting ships, effectively replacing a large crew. Others specifically relate to the connection (the C-implant) with the attribute enhancing implants and handle the information of skillpoints (S-implant) in the mind. They also have an implant (C2) that works as an additional manner of communication with other capsuleers when in the same area, which is as natural as talking or writing to someone, but different. It has been argued that it is how telepathy must be like, as your voice, images, words, sounds, sensations, can be communicated by thought in this manner by opening links.

The later discovery of the implants C and S in one capsuleer being susceptible to hacking done by another capsuleer routing power from the implant P through C2, was a possibility no one had predicted. It was found that the information usually called skillpoints, could be taken from one capsuleer’s S-implant and transferred to the capsuleer doing the hacking. Specific skills could also be deactivated momentarily, rendering them inactive for some time. In addition it was found that the connection between a capsuleer having the C-implant interfered with, and the implants enhancing attributes, could also momentarily be affected, cancelling the bonuses of these attributes for some time.


Mechanics of hacking and risk vs reward

This means that in wis, the battle takes place not with weapons, but by attacking and for the defender, protecting, using these implants that only capsuleers have, through hacking. One goal is stealing skillpoints from other players, skillpoints which then could be used freely in eve. The player losing skillpoints would have to choose when logging back into eve, which skill the loss of skillpoints would be withdrawn from. Other goals for the attacker are to deactivate skills and attribute enhancing implants, though only possible momentarily.

In practice you use the processing power of your implants to attack, repel or counter an attack from someone else. In these situations, an augmented reality overlay in displayed, that’s your implant you are readying for an attack or notifying you of an attack. However, like the way concord reacts in space, the station computer systems will detect the signals made from the hacking attack within some time. You will have to successfully attack or hold off the attack within that time to either gain or keep skillpoints, or deactivate or stop deactivation of skills and attributes. The faster an attack is successful the more skillpoints you gain or more skills and attributes can be deactivated. An attack can also be countered and there is a risk that you may lose out yourself, even if you are the attacker. There is a cooldown period between each time it is possible to attack, as the power in the implant needs to recharge. Unlike how Concord can when there is an attack in space, the station computer security systems cannot precisely detect where a hacking attack is coming from or is aimed at, only the unknown signals that passes through its networks, which is actually what it is blocking, not the attack in itself. Being attacked you don’t know either who is attacking, you just have to assume who it is from among the other capsuleers being in the area. NPC’s in the area would remain oblivious to these hidden battles taking place, they cannot be affected by the hacking themselves, as these skills and implants are unique to capsuleers.