Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please read the previous posts about the features and what constitutes an exploit..Also as I have said numerous time, i dont want new modules, tactic, or nerfing, changing the cloaking.No Fuels, no scanning no nothing.A 3 hour timer, that resets when the ship moves even an inch will suffice.But this is for the thread that proposes things to counter it.

True.Thanks for pointing the flaw of my proposal on the problem.

What the **** are you on about now?

No problem with that by me! YES!

I didnt say that was the best way to fix Local.But according to a lot of people, its a problem, and ccp should take a look on this, just as i call to look on cloaking.

The last CSM meetings pretty much announced CCP is going to create a method to scan down cloaked ships. Given that is true, afk cloaking will cease. If you can prevent docking at stations, destroy other people's POS's, and hunt down all afk cloakers, any nullsec system can be made COMPLETELY safe. In my opinion, there should always be risks associated with living in nullsec.



This is about balance... currently, there is no delay and anyone and everyone can initiate their warp to safety before a threat even loads the system. Except under very rare conditions (like a belt extremely close to a gate), 15 seconds is not enough time to find and tackle a ship in system. It is enough time to load grid, scan down anomalies, and start a warp to the potential target. Simply warping to an anomaly or belt at range (rather than zero) will easily provide you enough time to warp to safety before you're tackled. And if that's not enough time for your lazy ass, you can bubble the gates!

15 seconds is a fair balanced number.... I can understand your whine if I had suggested 60 seconds, but not 15 seconds... It takes 2 seconds to load grid, 2 seconds to align, 6 seconds to scan down an anomaly... and it takes more than 5 seconds to complete even a short warp. HTFU!!

Yup.... and if they happen to be scrammed by a rat at the time local goes up, there is a good chance they will be caught.

At the same point in time, I'm pretty sure most nullbears will trade this risk in a heartbeat to have a tool to hunt cloakers in system! Especially, since this risk can be heavily mitigated by intel channels, smart ratting, and bubbles.

Any substantial change to cloaking as a mechanic would be a massive change to PvP balance as a whole. All the covert cloak ships are not particularly good combat ships (low dps, mostly very fragile) and that because the cloak is a powerful module.

Any of the terrible changes that are bandied around are going to end up hurting everyone in the long run. We all need scouts and we all sometimes need to safe up and cloak. It's just the way of the game. Sure, for those guys who just wanna sit in their station systems and grind out money all day every day, it seems like cloaking is just their to make their lives miserable.

But this is a game that is deeply unforgiving, and if you don't have the luxury of lots of stations and larger PvP groups to keep you safe, a cloak is one of the very few ways to be genuinely safe in eve. It lets you wait out aggression, or avoid hostiles bent on your destruction. A cloak is an ever-present friend in this turbulent game. But the price they come with is pretty high. You can do nothing aggressive while you are cloaked.

You sacrifice all offensive ability (appearing in local and making the locals nervous doesn't count) in exchange for being safe. I think that's a fair trade. Making them need fuel or there being some mechanism to find them (which incidentally means that they aren't actually a cloak, essentially just a safespot) would screw a lot of stuff for a lot of people. Not because they are terrorising your neighborhood, but because they are just playing the game the way that it is played now.

Cloaking has been part of the game for a LONG time now, and frankly people should have learned to deal with it. Cloaking was old when I started my first toon in 04, and nothing about it has been made better or more powerful.

Just apparently the 0.0 bears demand not just an impressive measure of security (that being surrounded by scouts, intel channels, NAP fests and massive PvP fleets brings them) they want PERFECT TOTAL SECURITY.

Would you like some risk with your reward ? No ? Well tough.

This is just not the kind of game where you get to be totally safe.

cloaks are the only tool allowing warfare of any kind against overwhelming amounts of enemies - assymetric warfare.
Cloakers are the only ships which cant be blobbed the **** out of any part of the space, if cloaks would be nerfed, the last bit of danger could just be removed from null just by numbers of people. This cant be right and this is the reason I believe CCP wont nerf cloaks - otherwise people get even more reward for joining giant NAPs.

short question: are you dumb?