EVE General Discussion

Freighter ganking is out of control and balanced too far in the favour of the gankers. It's basically too easy.

If ccp looks at this and people continue to play then it's fine but I suspect people do lose stuff and don't come back.

Killing freighters should be left to the war dec mechanics only.

If Freighter ganking is easy then why isn't Red Frog on here complaining that they can't operate? Red Frog limit their loss and stay under the radar by ensuring their cargo value is under 1 billion.

Look, dont get me wrong, I understand people like to be self sufficient, and I also understand that people have limited time and perhaps they want to carry their load in 1 trip instead of 10 trips, I get it.

Red Frogs haulage success rate was posted in a similar thread to this and it turned out that they are able to successfully deliver over 98% of haulage contracts allocated to them. Again, correct me if im wrong,

I agree that it is easy to bump/kill a freighter yes. but I also agree that the pilot made himself a target by putting a 40 bilion value in his cargo hold. I'm a straight forward man, I like to keep things simple.

Instead of complaining freight ganking is easy, use that energy to start a freight union where lots of frieght pilots work together using intelligence and logic to get cargo hauled.

Use the contract system to create 1 billion isk packages then help another pilot haul his stuff, he will then help you haul your stuff and it continues like that with lots of you getting your freight moved carefully using a trusted freight union.

Come on guys!! if 20 freight pilots help 1 Freight pilot move cargo then you're moving 20 billion value 0% risk. How long will it take? about an hour or more depending on where. You can then go back to jita and help another dude. EDIT: take pride in your haulage works, allocate a fleet commander to the hauling fleet and run it with military precision, meet some new people, get in some convos and have a good time hauling.

Yes its time consuming I know, In order to survive in Eve you simply have to do the opposite of what your attacker expects you to do. If you adopt this rigid play style then you've countered freight ganking without even having to consider dealing with a bumpy macheriel. EDIT: Tell a lie, if the scenario I describe is set up and lots of people join, then yes they will most definitely bump you for a while with their Mach for the purpose of trolling you cos youve countered them without breaking a sweat...

I'm a strong believer that you have to have a low-level hive mentality to thrive in Eve, I will always believe that a relaxed blue community will thrive if they let go of some of their barriers and respect their fellow eve pilot and see that there is great benefit in working with others from time to time.

I am helping another dude to start a blue community and it would be great if we could implement something solid which helps freight pilots.

As I quoted from numerous parts of the article it is quite clear I did read it. And if you want more scholarly articles not behind paywalls you can find them. For example, the link at the bottom is invaluable,

The short answer is, when it comes to risk aversion your understanding is flawed. What it really means is you accept risk, but in a prudent and reasonable fashion. That's it. It is unfortunate people here tend to use the term as an insult when in fact it is what all good players do.

Here is a simple thought experiment. If you are not risk averse why are mitigating (i.e. reducing) your risk? If you aren't risk averse why waste your time and efforts?

https://ideas.repec.org/

Edit:

So from one you links, we have this page on risk management. The article notes that risk management depends on his investment objectives and risk tolerance. And Investopedia has this nice page on risk tolerance. Which says, in part,



And interestingly this peer reviewed research suggests that risk tolerance and risk aversion are inversely related. The more risk averse you are the less tolerance you have for risk.

In other words, people mitigate risk to varying degrees depending on their level of risk aversion.

Faff, Robert, Daniel Mulino, and Daniel Chai. "On the linkage between financial risk tolerance and risk aversion." Journal of financial research 31.1 (2008): 1-23.

Well...he is in Vendetta....

Dracvlad already knows that, but he'll never admit it.

When AG started to pop wrecks the gankers brigaded the forums complaining about wreck EHP and it got "fixed" in months.

We're still waiting for that bumping fix.

Now we can argue all day about whose side CCP is on, but that's all you need to know is that when gankers cry, they get their bottle fast and they'll never complain about that nerf. It takes CCP years to fix a mechanic that gankers game to death and then the same people cry.

Many have left this game thinking "so they are just allowed to do that and nothing is done about it? I'm done". Sure they "can't handle Eve" right? Well can Eve handle having only gankers and mercs feeding off each other? Maybe things will get bad enough that they'll let easy targets play for free. Oh wait.

If it were up to me™ NPC corps would periodically wardec each other. After all I think along some point Aliastra would have a beef with Native Fresh Food. Naval NPC starter corps would be permanently at war with each other (Think: FW starter kits).

But ... no... any idea that might introduce noobs to PVP is also shot down. It's never really about PVP. If everybody in the game was a PVP "scrapper" a kill boards of certain addicted to KM types would actually suffer. But those people are not really playing this game like it were a game anyway. Poor souls.

Shot down by whom?

All I ever read on the forums is how pvp apparently drives new players away from the game (also never supported with any evidence other than personal anecdotes) and how CCPs analysis to the contrary is flawed and limited and not worth anything.

I personally think the current balance is fine, but I'd be interested to know who it is that is shooting down views of more pvp. I doubt it's pvpers.

Arrogant pup aren't you, well I have done that analysis with a real test and have been in the field when they got around a perfectly set up webber, but if you want to think you are 100% safe with a webber be my guest, just don't cry about it when you find out the hard way.

Not arrogant. No.

Data doesn't lie. It's objective and independently confirmable by anyone.

So if you've done the analysis, post your data.

As for 100% safe, no activity in this game is, nor should be.