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Chances of mission runner getting ganked in HS?

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Deadlyy Goliath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-12-20 20:36:18 UTC
Hey guys, I was wondering how much my ship needs to cost to make me a target for gankers in HS space where I mission. I'm currently flying a Navy Raven worth 1b (fit mainly faction and deadspace) so I was wondering what are the risks. I mainly mission in 0.7 and higher and all 7 mids I have I use on tank mods. I'm not planning on making my ship anymore expensive so I was wondering if I should bring some of my mods to T2 instead of faction or deadspace in order to reduce the chances of getting ganked. Also is there any precautions I should take to reduce my chances of death except from looking at D scan?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2016-12-20 20:44:09 UTC
Its pretty random but EHP versus fitting cost will have some implications i.e. a 100+K EHP battleship with a few 100m in modules would be a long way down the list of gank targets - also the risk rises exponentially the closer you are to the main mission hubs like some parts of the forge region.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-12-20 20:45:53 UTC
i think there's nothing more to cover, watch D-Scan, use T2 instead of blingy modules, maybe have someone to give you support in case of getting aggresed by gankers, of course, in terms of repairs, if you can tank more than what they can deal they will loose time that they could use to escape concord, i think.

oh an do missions in a low traffic system. that helps too. if anyone strange enters at least you will know its time to dock. specially if you're on a player corp since you could get wardecced and concord wont be there to protect you.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#4 - 2016-12-20 20:49:09 UTC
A trick people will use to gank bigger targets in hisec is they will shoot a ratter's MTU, causing them to go suspect. The ratter will then (sometimes) engage them giving them an engagement flag so the ganker can now attack them without having to worry about CONCORD.

The lesson here is to NOT engage them and simply scoop your MTU to cargo hold.

Other than that, anyone trying to gank you will probably just get CONCORDed before they could scratch you.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2016-12-20 20:54:19 UTC
Step 1: Do not draw attention to yourself such as posting on the forums stating you fly a ship with expensive mods. You will get ganked, and it may just be for the fun of it and because you painted a target on yourself. You may think It would be hard to find you but a locator agent can tell people where you are within a half hour.

Step 2: Fly inconspicuously. Flying a Raven Navy Issue says i have spare risk but don't have the skills to fly a golem. It draws attention which may not be positive. Flying a normal Raven makes you look a little less like a target. Flying an Ishtar says... I'm a cheap date shoot someone else.

Step 3: Get away from crowded systems. Yes, the Sister's of Eve agent in Osmon is nice. She is a level 4 agent near Jita. Everyone knows of her and her system has 2 ice belts that help attract the wrong attention. You may want to switch to a more obscure agent. For example, Khanid Innovations which have a nice implant in the l.p. store and is way off the beaten path.

Step 4: think about your fit... If you are optimized to tank only one damage type and have holes, you make it easier to be ganked. Yes you may run missions a minute faster but is that trade-off worth the trouble? That is a personal call.

Step 5: Don't be stupid. Many mission runners are not yanked. Someone shoots their MTU in a frigate. The big bad battleship thinks it can beat the frigate, the frigate has friends and the BS dies. Don't shoot at people stealing your loot or MTU.

Step 6: Don't go AFK on a gate or in space with tanking mods off, especially in any system where there are gankers or crazy PvPers in the area. I know RvB ganked a few mission runners who went AFK in expensive ships.

Follow these steps and chances are, your mission ship will be fine.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-12-20 20:57:22 UTC
I would say your chances have gone up a bit now... (But maybe that was your plan all along :D)

But in general, the chances of getting ganked is rather low. It's much easier to gank a hauler after all...
Deadlyy Goliath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-12-20 20:59:18 UTC
Thank you all for the advice it certainly will help me :)
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#8 - 2016-12-20 21:00:56 UTC
Oh and a basic cost formula...

A Tornado can cause around 14k damage and costs 70 mil isk. Divide your EHP by 15000. Multiply that value by 70 mil isk. Is that value worth less than 1/2 the price of your ship? If yes, you are profitable to gank. Reduce mods to reduce ship costor increase ship costs. This formula means that an average freighter should carry under about 1bil in isk to be safeish. (i say safeish because people may gank you for fun and tears despite the list income)

Yes I know catalysts are cheaper and use different dps calculations but as a basic estimator rule, this is close enough.
2Sonas1Cup
#9 - 2016-12-20 21:01:05 UTC
Depends what you fly
Depends if anyone knows what you fly or wants you dead for some reason
Or depends if you're just unlucky to come across someone that hanks missioners for sport

Also depends on the system you're running missions on, the highest the system sec the less probability someone will gank you

But to answer your question, yes there's missioners gankers and most of them are very good at what they do, so beware and don't let anyone know about your fit neither that you run missions.
Darth Kendari
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-12-20 21:21:35 UTC
Well OP you have attracted the attention your snowflake post desired. Yes, now you are a target announcing that you fly a blinged out ship and in a good area for being ganked.

Mission accomplished see you soon. Twisted
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#11 - 2016-12-20 21:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lfod Shi
A good rule I was taught early on is: Never fly more ship than you can afford to lose. If you can teach yourself to run the same missions in a battle cruiser you can have a back-up ship fitted and waiting for you should you lose one. I've run lvl4 missions in a Drake with success. It takes longer and you have to actually fly around to keep damage down, but it can be done and draws no attention. At least, I've never been bothered while doing it.

Staying in unpopulated space is a great piece of advice as well. If yer gonna fly solo, be a loner.

(edit) p.s. Never never never, and I mean never, publicly state you're using faction and deadspace mods. I mean it. Too late now I know, but seriously. Never.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2016-12-20 21:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
https://zkillboard.com/ship/17636/losses/highsec/

Ganks are the ones with more than 10 people on the killmail. (There are exceptions, if you see anything but Catalysts, Thrashers or Tornados it's probably a wardec)

At a minimum it costs about 50 mil to gank a Navy Raven. So roughly 100 mill in lootable modules is all it takes to be a potential target. (This is on the rare side as many wouldn't be able to field the accounts necessary to pull this off.)

Missioning in popular mission hubs also increases your chances of becoming a target.

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-12-20 21:39:10 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
A trick people will use to gank bigger targets in hisec is they will shoot a ratter's MTU, causing them to go suspect. The ratter will then (sometimes) engage them giving them an engagement flag so the ganker can now attack them without having to worry about CONCORD.

The lesson here is to NOT engage them and simply scoop your MTU to cargo hold.

Other than that, anyone trying to gank you will probably just get CONCORDed before they could scratch you.


Before they fixed it (if they fixed it), aggressive drones worked against the missioners and attacked the aggressors who shoot mtu's lots of lulz. Good times, I made sure my drones were passive =).
Keno Skir
#14 - 2016-12-20 22:04:18 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
A trick people will use to gank bigger targets in hisec is they will shoot a ratter's MTU, causing them to go suspect. The ratter will then (sometimes) engage them giving them an engagement flag so the ganker can now attack them without having to worry about CONCORD.

The lesson here is to NOT engage them and simply scoop your MTU to cargo hold.

Other than that, anyone trying to gank you will probably just get CONCORDed before they could scratch you.


^ That's not what gank means. You're talking about consensual PvP there Pirate
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#15 - 2016-12-20 22:05:06 UTC
Watch local, d-scan, have a cloak fit and have a few safes set up. You will never get caught
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#16 - 2016-12-20 22:07:33 UTC
Zero ... if you buy a mining permit and adhere to the CODE. For just 10 million ISK a year you fly safe.
Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#17 - 2016-12-20 23:33:19 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Watch local, d-scan, have a cloak fit and have a few safes set up. You will never get caught


The last sentence is nonsensical. You will get caught, at some point. Your concentration will slip, you'll make a mistake, someone will be faster than you, the lag gods will laugh at you. You'll get caught. You'll lose ships.

However, everything Sonya says is good advice to reduce that risk to an absolute minimum - and that is the bets you can do. There's no such thing as perfectly safe in Eve, as long as you're undocked.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#18 - 2016-12-20 23:35:05 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Zero ... if you buy a mining permit and adhere to the CODE. For just 10 million ISK a year you fly safe.


hey, question - do people who gank ships that aren't part of Code need a permit to gank?

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Pix Severus
Empty You
#19 - 2016-12-20 23:54:15 UTC
The only people who care about your shiny mods are you, and gankers.

So you have to ask yourself, do you really need that extra 20 DPS the faction mod gives you? Do you really need the slightly higher shield rep that officer mod gives you?

If you are confident in your abilities to avoid being ganked, then by all means fit yourself up with epics and hope you don't end up like this guy.

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Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
#20 - 2016-12-21 00:29:35 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
The only people who care about your shiny mods are you, and gankers.

So you have to ask yourself, do you really need that extra 20 DPS the faction mod gives you? Do you really need the slightly higher shield rep that officer mod gives you?

If you are confident in your abilities to avoid being ganked, then by all means fit yourself up with epics and hope you don't end up like this guy.


Great to read that article again. People like that are not made every day (thank God).
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