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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#301 - 2016-12-18 10:38:26 UTC
Or they have few new games coming out next year, that are really good and MMO, or they will not get 900M or even half of it.
300M maybe. Is there something coming out of CCP that we dont know, what will change future of gaming? Pirate

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#302 - 2016-12-18 10:58:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Zao Elongur wrote:
Dyner wrote:
They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).

...it's not working so well from the looks of it.

So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.


No mate, you are wrong.

What is EASY cannot be REWARDING.

See this graph
http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png

Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions?
Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements.

Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction

"Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid"
UghUghUghUghUgh


You may be correct. I was hardcore exploration back before SoE ships and exploration sites outside of wormholes were still combat sites. Then they made exploration super easy with sites galore and instead of facing unknown challenges and outcomes it's just another aspect of EZ-Grind™. I used to survive alone wandering WHs and nullsec on my own running sites solo (or attempting to - they could be pretty harsh) and making it back into highsec with loot felt like an achievement.

Now I feel like I'd rather slam my willie in the door before I do exploration.

Making stuff easier does NOT make it better, nor more attractive. For a time I was part of the "Vanilla WoW" movement (though not intended to play it, just support it) there were more people wanting to play that than there are Eve subs before Blizzard killed it.

Hence the irony of Eve looking it's best, never having had a better variety of ships than ever before, having the best character customization than ever before, and the biggest battles than ever before, better training options and dealing with SP, player owned "stations" (Citadels), no cost clones, and F2P. All that, but there is no return to the golden age that for all variable opinions observed thus far, appears to have been the period of 2007 to early 2011.

There are problems with the community and direction of the game that all the skins and tiericide in the world won't fix.


It's very simple. EVE Online peaked by appealing to a wider range of player types and has been losing those players as development focused on a limited niche.

As Ripard Teg said, if you don't buy the whole space colonization vision by CCP Seagull, there's not much coming for you in EVE, and I add that hasn't been since 2013, and won't be at least until 2018. CCP may throw you a bone each now and then, along with taking away whatever they need for their chosen ones.

And this means that at some point CCP figured that they could/should do without 60% of their customers in order to keep a core of 40%. Half of that 60% is gone and CCP compensated so far by firing people (25% of their employees since 2011), adding microtransactions and now the F2P boost.

And that's it, F2P is the last trick in the bag. All what's left ahead is either downsizing the EVE development team or outsource some of its development (not really an option since EVE runs on custom code and tools).
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#303 - 2016-12-18 11:06:06 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Or they have few new games coming out next year, that are really good and MMO, or they will not get 900M or even half of it.
300M maybe. Is there something coming out of CCP that we dont know, what will change future of gaming? Pirate


The big hope and value it's VR, but as I said before, VR as a consumer technology dried on the vine and it's facing a unglamurous demise on the trail of 3D TV.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#304 - 2016-12-18 12:06:21 UTC
Plex for CCP?
Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#305 - 2016-12-18 18:39:49 UTC
I want to see the faces of the people with thousands of likes on the forums as soon as EA Games buys this. What a waste it would have been...lol
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#306 - 2016-12-18 19:38:29 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:


You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.

There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.


Way to go, insult us. Now the funny thing about those games where you play an avatar* is that most of the time you're only looking at the back of their heads.
Now the real problem, as I see it, with avatar gameplay is that unless you're going entirely freeform sandbox, you've got to have a lot of PVE in the form of, well, quests. Thus a lot of development time taken away from the present core of this game.

*including but not limited to humans, plant creatures, rock creatures, mechanicals, zombies, and of course, FURRIES.

don't worry everyone gets a piece. It wouldn't take dev time away from the EVE you want because the devs on EVE now wouldn't be the avatar crew. You would need additional people. I'm not talking about this player base, I'm talking about an expanding one, with expanding development to go with it.

I think it's safe to assume EVE has sifted through the millions of trial accounts and has retained everyone willing to play as space ships, so if you're talking about making the game more popular it means adding new gameplay. Radically new gameplay, not another hacking minigame that involves your spaceship.

Traditionally, avatar gameplay involves third person but we have HMDs now, and games like Valkyrie. That game in particular couldn't be integrated into EVE gameplay just because space ship combat is basically a turn-based board game. But you can integrate an instanced game engine and dismounted exploration of derelict structures as a first person mode. To replace that god awful hacking minigame mechanic in 2016 (the **** is this candy crush?)

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#307 - 2016-12-18 19:41:06 UTC
Expendable Unit wrote:
I want to see the faces of the people with thousands of likes on the forums as soon as EA Games buys this. What a waste it would have been...lol

I'm all for change bruh. This game has felt like shuffling chairs since I started playing.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#308 - 2016-12-18 20:16:32 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.

Like you have something to say about who will own EVE

Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.


A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles.


i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan.
only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation Big smileRollBig smile

what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol

CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol
HellGate fr
#309 - 2016-12-18 21:07:54 UTC
Coming soon EVE Online 2 : Tactical Warfare edited by Activision where all the ships and items will have to be bought with AURUM.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#310 - 2016-12-18 21:17:43 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Relax,it's only me Big smile


LMFAO!!! Lol

CRIBBA ONLINE
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#311 - 2016-12-18 23:02:44 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.

Like you have something to say about who will own EVE

Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.


A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles.


i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan.
only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation Big smileRollBig smile

what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol

CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol

If they have the balls to stick with drastic changes do you promise to leave

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Null Mart
Swamp Donkey's United
#312 - 2016-12-19 00:02:10 UTC
So does this mean I may need to download Origin to play?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#313 - 2016-12-19 09:09:16 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.

Like you have something to say about who will own EVE

Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.


A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles.


i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan.
only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation Big smileRollBig smile

what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol

CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol

If they have the balls to stick with drastic changes do you promise to leave


never Big smile why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#314 - 2016-12-19 09:20:33 UTC
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#315 - 2016-12-19 09:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:


i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan.
only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation Big smileRollBig smile

what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol

CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol


never Big smile why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me.


I think you are gloating about how monument shooters got their way? I can't be sure because this is text but if that's the case I'm hoping those "escalations" are met with bans, so that's why you'd leave because you don't get your way.

If we could just scrap this "core group" of players who think they are responsible for keeping EVE afloat and that EVE should stay a digitized board game that would be great.

If I had my pick of a new "core group" I would choose the crowd of players who are used to vanity items and otherwise superficial in-game items for money that might lead to TWENTY MILLION DOLLAR E-Sports PRIZE POOLS

Dear CCP, EVE needs a Battle Pass system

Thanks in Advance

PS: there is no such thing as a "core group" and it's basically a minority thinking they represent everyone. hth

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#316 - 2016-12-19 09:46:59 UTC
Sunforge
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#317 - 2016-12-19 12:53:09 UTC
Devs: Have you heard anything I've said?
Players: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Devs: That's right.
Players: Had to end sometime.

With apologies to the actual film but the above quote felt so...apt.

The voices in my head told me to post this. Mind you they also tell me to buy chocolate, so it can't all be bad.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#318 - 2016-12-19 20:07:33 UTC
Null Mart wrote:
So does this mean I may need to download Origin to play?

Please god no
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#319 - 2016-12-19 22:58:28 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:


i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan.
only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation Big smileRollBig smile

what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol

CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol


never Big smile why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me.


I think you are gloating about how monument shooters got their way? I can't be sure because this is text but if that's the case I'm hoping those "escalations" are met with bans, so that's why you'd leave because you don't get your way.

If we could just scrap this "core group" of players who think they are responsible for keeping EVE afloat and that EVE should stay a digitized board game that would be great.

If I had my pick of a new "core group" I would choose the crowd of players who are used to vanity items and otherwise superficial in-game items for money that might lead to TWENTY MILLION DOLLAR E-Sports PRIZE POOLS

Dear CCP, EVE needs a Battle Pass system

Thanks in Advance

PS: there is no such thing as a "core group" and it's basically a minority thinking they represent everyone. hth


i'm sure you meant something, but i'll be fecked if i know,.
Heart ofStone
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#320 - 2016-12-20 09:44:26 UTC
No response for CCP......

There is a saying in the UK, no news is good news...?


F2P = Crippled to play... maybe the new owner will fully go F2P, no restrictions, add a premium sub for cosmetics and fluff, no P2W.

remove the rip-off plex, add more shop stuff etc like other genre mmorpg's have done, they are still going strong.

A recent mmorpg that's recently been sold or changed hands is LOTRO, they went F2P, are still going strong after 9 yrs, and will continue to do so

link: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?649784-Standing-Stone-Games-A-message-from-Rob-Ciccolini


Adapt on die, in a F2P world only one real choice!


Merry Christmas to you all