Intergalactic Summit

Ms. Teinyhr, it started with me rattling off a very short version of how the Angels justify themselves. That's maybe a little different from implying that it's laughable to hate them.

People have reasons for being who they are and doing what they do. Other people may very well hate them regardless.

Having reasons-- good reasons, bad reasons, mediocre reasons-- doesn't make anyone immune from hate. Knowing their reasons might sometimes make it a little harder to hate them, though.

We live in a world of humans. Demons are a little hard to come by.

Not sure I can agree with this. I think if you're going to examine something critically and hold an informed opinion, as opposed to an opinion based on knee-jerk reaction, you have to consider all of the 'justifications' for that behavior. And then you have to consider whether or not any of them have merit on their own, whether any of them have merit as a response to extant conditions, and whether any of them retain that merit in conjunction with other behaviors seen.

To fail to do so, and dismiss people out-of-hand because they do things you don't like regardless of whether they have a good reason or not is, well, 'why the Federation must be destroyed', you know?

(Emphasis mine.)

See, I think this is actually the only place we really disagree, Ms. Teinyhr.

I don't know if anyone's irredeemable. I don't think I get to make that call (and really it would either be transparently self-serving or pointless self-flagellation if I did). But, I do believe that most human societies pass through some astonishingly awful periods before they get anywhere really stable or worthwhile beyond the point of being arguably better than chaos and collapse.

That doesn't mean people are bad, just for living there or (and this will be the more arguable point) playing their expected roles within those societies. Anywhere I go, ordinary people mostly just try to lead good, worthwhile lives.

I don't think there's such a thing as an evil nationality.

Sansha included?

I'm saying that dismissing the motivations of others out of hand because you've already decided their associations are irredeemable is the first step to becoming exactly that kind of obsessed and closed-minded, yes.

And if you can't handle that idea, that's your problem, not mine.

Also a Master. But I wonder-- is even he still free? Are any of them? It's hard to tell.

It does matter for maybe some purposes, but, really--

I guess, I see whether it's a "nationality" as arguable. Whether it's "evil," well, I don't actually believe in "evil" or think of it as a very useful concept, so, basically, no. But that's irrelevant.

Nation is a problem to be solved, whether it's "evil" or not.

It's easy to be a smug ***** when you clearly know something we don't. I don't know whom she threatened, but most likely it was an empty threat she doles out like nothing on a daily basis. Apparently it was some minmatar woman and her children then, ok, that's great. I didn't know that. Not that it'd matter because of the above.
Look, she's been called out before, on far worse things than just threatening a couple of children, to no avail. And despite the chestbeating in the first page, I doubt this Angel person will manage to do anything worthwhile just like no one who has claimed holy vendetta against Kim has done before.

But if it makes you happy: Diana Kim, you are a terrible possibly human being. Stop being a terrible maybe human being.

If you knew anything about me, you'd know appealing to my racial background is useless. I'm guessing you were referring mainly to me judging by your last sentense. Also "racial victimhood" - pfffth. Caldari love nothing more than to whine about the injustices visited upon them by the Gallente, or just look at just about any thread and see the Amarr whining about the Elder Fleet, the loss of their previous Empress and how we all should feel sorry for them. But yes, sure, the Minmatar use the same rhetoric. Typically people love to call only them out on it for some reason, probably because they gather the largest support group from other people and feel more confident on beating on a singular pilot.

Damn, and I said I was done. Well, I still am, about the Angel thing, but if you want to start a pissing contest about whose greater racial background is the most terrible, go ahead. Altough on second thought, count me out, because I am so done with this entire thread just about now.

There was not a single word about that. Let us not make up stuff to defend pirates and criminals, okay?

It is good when pilots rise against pirates and criminality. I disagree that she did nothing. She did two things, which are very important. First thing, is that she fought pirates in space. And the second thing, she stood proud and defiant under threats of criminals and even threw them challenge, humiliating them on forums. A lot of people when threatened by pirates would submit to them, afraid even to report to the police, this is why racketeering prospers in so many regions, and even capsuleers fall under this. Just think about how many pilots do submit to CODE?

Don't twist my words.
I have offered my services on condition you won't stand between me and my work. I have rescued already plenty of prisoners and I can stage a lossless operation (for Caldari side, of course). I know how to do it and how to do it efficiently with minimal risk to rescue team. My offer still stands. Now tell me yourself, have you already tried to sneak past Feds when there was actually a defending fleet? I would like to hear results. In any way, I will repeat it again here. If you will want to handle this task efficiently and professionally, you know how to find me.