EVE General Discussion

Dude, did you even read my cunning plan? D:

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Freighter Gank Watchlist (FGW):

1) Considering the relatively low frequency of freighter explosions, it should not be difficult to mine data out of killboards and player reports/testimony inorder to compile a list/table of the usual freighter destroying suspects and alts. In a couple months of compiling, you will probably have a very good idea of whom is involved, where and how. Probably more than anyone else currently in the game.

2) Once you have a relatively comprehensive list/table, you can add those names to your UI with red standing, thus helping you identify and possibly avoid them, their alts/associates, and centers of activity.

3) You can even sell this as a service. For a subscription fee, a player can order the list/table from you. You can make it a monthly update to the list which is sent to all current subscribers on a mailing list.

4) You can setup an ingame channel in conjunction with your data mining/list efforts/services to gather more data, for participants to warn/advise other freighters, and advertise your subscribed Watchlist service.

5) The players who sub to your Watchlist, will be safer than those that dont. Leading to those that are not on your subscription mailing list, will be more likely to be destroyed, thus prompting them to seek out and pay for your service. Every dedicated freighter pilot will want to have your list.

6) You can infiltrate groups involved in freighter destruction (with potentially even an Alpha), to collect more data on names of participants, typical tactics, current wherabouts and centers of activity.

7) Once you have reached market saturation, as in all or most freighter pilots buying your list monthly, you can
-A) Setup your own shadow Freighter ganking operation, utilising the expertise, trust, connections and information you have.
-B) Sell information to now starved freighter gankers on prominent freight movements you are aware of.
-C) Both will increase and concrete demand for your original list service.

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Its perfect!

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Aaaah, but they arent selling it.

Thats the key.

I see.

Can you name 3 such AG groups that are sharing this information?

Giving it for free.. What a waste :,(

I know the OP has championed the view that freight pilots would be wise to limit their cargo value, i think 5 or 6 billion was the limit, correct me if I am wrong.

I think it would be wise to acknowledge this and freight pilots should accept this as an operational standard. Do we have some sort of freight union in game?

The need to study watchlists for freight gankers would become irrelevant.

Don't get me wrong I fully understand that having to split a 40 billion load into 8 or 9 freight trips is annoying and tiring, this is the most realistic approach to solving this problem with a high level of success.

Stop feeding the gankers easy kills. Assess the situation and realise that if you overload your freight with a high value you will most likely be bumped and held in place while a gank fleet mobilizes to relieve you of your goods.

Red frog draws the Limit at 1B. And there is nothing wrong in putting 40B in a freighter as long as you accept that you need some seriouse protection if you want to be safe. With maybe 200M for protection you could hire enough guys that will Keep any gankers away.

Ok, the limit is 1 billion. this is low and I can see where the issue is.

I've had a brief look at hull tanking and remote hull repping, there are no ships with a remote hull repair bonus so any ships repping a freight under attack will need to keep within 9km. I think this is the most logical way to deal with it if people insist on over filling their freighter.

Find out how much DPS a gank fleet does, then compare it to the tank of the freighter and you should have a value for how many remote hull repair ships required. Remember you are fighting against a timer from the moment the gankers aggro the freighter, so the goal is to keep the freights hull topped up until concord come and deal with the gankers.

Hull tanking/repping hasn't really been looked at by CCP over the years and I think it might be time to assess if the balance is ok and if remote hull repping can become a part of the fast paced pvp that takes place. Perhaps if CCP can change hull repping then it really would be a case of people having to use teamwork to get their freight to the destination.

Why isn't there a corp specialising in protecting freighters? I'm sure with the state of affairs at the moment a frieghter pilot would be happy to pay up to 1 billion to ensure he reaches his destination.

Lets face it, Destroying a freighter and claiming the goods has always been part of any space trading simulator since Elite 1 from 1984. We shouldn't be suprised or annoyed that it is part of this game. We simply need to find the counter to freight ganking and execute it and have fun while doing it.

The issue is the complete lack of cooperation from the freighter side while the ganker side does. If a freighter gank takes 10 players (let's ignore the scanner and bumpers while also ignoring scouts since they can all be alts). then why aren't freighter fleet forming in pack of 10? 3 fully loaded freighter and 7 escort ship following a defined doctrine designed to counter the gank. What that doctrine would be is open to debate but it would likely work better than YOLOing a freighter solo across 14 systems. They could try ECM, they could try alphaing some DPS of the grid since they are likely flashy anyway and have known EHP/resist profile, they could try reps. Right now, they just go for dumb luck of pass while someone else's is getting killed.