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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#401 - 2012-01-19 19:55:33 UTC
Krissada wrote:

Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.


.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going upQuestionAttentionQuestionShocked

Thats like complaining that people are giving you too much free isk.....

If it means that much to you, I'd be happy to take them all off your hands for 1 mil each.....If you have enough of them I might even be persuaded to offer less per nano-ribbon if you ask nicely......Shoot me an eve-mail Pirate

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#402 - 2012-01-19 19:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Krissada
drdxie wrote:


To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions Big smile, mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships.


That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller.
Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour.

Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself).
How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up.

So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time.
He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie).

This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.



Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:


.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going upQuestionAttentionQuestionShocked



No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad (or less people doing the actual sites). Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#403 - 2012-01-19 20:16:27 UTC
While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
drdxie
#404 - 2012-01-19 20:25:37 UTC
Krissada wrote:
drdxie wrote:


To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions Big smile, mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships.


That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller.
Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour.

Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself).
How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up.

So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time.
He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie).

This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.



Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:


.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going upQuestionAttentionQuestionShocked



No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).



To be honest.. I don't care too much about how others make their isk, except maybe learning from them... otherwise I would sit complaining that its not fair that moongoo can only be found in null and I don't have access and there are no ice fields in my wh... etc... so let me get a bunch of people together and go beat them up.... actually.. why not go to null and do just that.. those alliances make way more than any incursion runner can hope to make.. BTW I have no problem taking down the MOM early or contesting sites.. I do have an issue with suicide ganking the pilots in their ships, shiny or otherwise.. lets face it... no matter how, they worked to get them...Bear
If you not happy with how others make their isk.. go join them. That's the beauty of eve..

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#405 - 2012-01-19 20:27:33 UTC
Krissada wrote:
No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).


LOL...

"...earning more is always pleasant..."

According to you, ONLY if it is you... others are not allowed to make so much moar than you...

"...evidence of a migration from w-space..."

Huh? LOL... yea, we're all flocking to Hisec! Watchout! LOL

"Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead..." Uh, can't unnerstand that what I dunt read... LOL

ZOMG! How about you WRITE what you MEAN instead... LOL

Everyone, listen UP, Krissada wants us all to NOT READ WHAT SHE WRITES... uh, ok by me. =]

(I swear I have lol'ed so hard at this I actually have a real for god salt water tear in the right hand corner of my left hand eye....
whoooo... =] silliest crap I have read in a long time... and I'm OLD)

Best Post in the whole thread...

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
drdxie
#406 - 2012-01-19 20:33:00 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain.


Maybe people are leaving wh's as the price of ice is going up??? and if you have many people in one hole its not that profitable if you don't make use of all the available resources. There's a good cause.. gank the ice miner gankers...
Also many holes are empty with dead towers as the residents have been podded and haven't thought to have a low skill scanning alt in it... but as Floppie said.. who cares.. more nano's for me :) I have found many c2's lately with dozens of anoms that need tending...

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#407 - 2012-01-19 20:33:45 UTC
drdxie wrote:
actually.. why not go to null and do just that..


Let me know how that works out for you. I hear PL is a real pushover, you should start with them.

Roll

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
drdxie
#408 - 2012-01-19 20:43:28 UTC
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
drdxie wrote:
actually.. why not go to null and do just that..


Let me know how that works out for you. I hear PL is a real pushover, you should start with them.

Roll


Was just being silly trying to prove a point.. that being the people ganking incursion runners are not doing it for the greater good of the eve community.. its all self interest and hs carebears are easy targets as you are safe till you actually hit the trigger, all rather cowardly IMHO

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#409 - 2012-01-19 20:49:30 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:


(I swear I have lol'ed so hard at this I actually have a real for god salt water tear in the right hand corner of my left hand eye....
whoooo... =] silliest crap I have read in a long time... and I'm OLD)

Best Post in the whole thread...


I am glad you were amused. That parenthesis was in the wrong sentence ... derp anyway lol.
You're a lost case and blinded by your own ideas.

People are more than welcome to earn more isk than me. Stop putting words in my mouth. You are unbelievable lol.
That's what I wrote what up there. People keep interpreting what I say incorrectly.
What can you do .... mad people can't think logically can they now?
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#410 - 2012-01-19 21:00:32 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Dzajic wrote:
If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention.


Oh you ******* imbecile.
How did this suddenly become a discussion about lvl 4 missions? Are you really that simple minded?
Find me a quote where I (me, myself and Krissada) state that I want lvl 4's moved to lowsec.

If I was a carebear, I'd be ashamed to be even in the same room as you.


I really do enjoy these futile discussions cause you will accomplish nothing of them. Continue talking mate, I wanna see if you can find arguments that are more useless that the ones you've already used.

"This is how it's always been so it should stay this way" <--- brilliant argument.


If you enjoy it so much why am I still mopping your tears off my linoleum every time I check this thread? LOL
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#411 - 2012-01-19 21:03:39 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Krissada wrote:
drdxie wrote:


To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions Big smile, mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships.


That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller.
Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour.

Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself).
How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up.

So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time.
He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie).

This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.



Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:


.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going upQuestionAttentionQuestionShocked



No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).



To be honest.. I don't care too much about how others make their isk, except maybe learning from them... otherwise I would sit complaining that its not fair that moongoo can only be found in null and I don't have access and there are no ice fields in my wh... etc... so let me get a bunch of people together and go beat them up.... actually.. why not go to null and do just that.. those alliances make way more than any incursion runner can hope to make.. BTW I have no problem taking down the MOM early or contesting sites.. I do have an issue with suicide ganking the pilots in their ships, shiny or otherwise.. lets face it... no matter how, they worked to get them...Bear
If you not happy with how others make their isk.. go join them. That's the beauty of eve..


I have always been supportive of the idea of "raid-able moon mining arrays" and perhaps even mobile moon mining systems that can fit in a WH. Unfortunately there is the pervasive idea that all PVP is shooting at each other, something that the marketers and indies have proven to be false. It would be nice to go into 0.0 and steal their goo. It's possible to get past their gank pipelines and "Great Wall of Carebear".

A good time would be had by all.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#412 - 2012-01-19 21:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
Krissada wrote:
Dzajic wrote:

You said that you will not allow anyone to casually fund their playtime and PVP by doing highsec incursions nor anything similar; as you don't want EVE to be that way. After highsec Incrusiosn are gone L4s are next step; there have been infinite number of "CCP nurf them" threads over the years; once Incursiosn are no longer interesting people will returning to whining about L4s.


Quote:

Straw Man Argument: A subtype of the red herring, this fallacy includes any lame attempt to "prove" an argument by overstating, exaggerating, or over-simplifying the arguments of the opposing side. Such an approach is building a straw man argument. The name comes from the idea of a boxer or fighter who meticulously fashions a false opponent out of straw, like a scarecrow, and then easily knocks it over in the ring before his admiring audience. His "victory" is a hollow mockery, of course, because the straw-stuffed opponent is incapable of fighting back. When a writer makes a cartoon-like caricature of the opposing argument, ignoring the real or subtle points of contention, and then proceeds to knock down each "fake" point one-by-one, he has created a straw man argument.


I am talking about incursions. Nothing else.


You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?

In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge!

EDIT: Oh wait, in all fairness, I also lost a Retriever in a lowsec system to someone sporting a shiney faction gunship. Another devastatingly difficult challenge I'm sure.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#413 - 2012-01-19 21:08:44 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:

You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?

In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge!


So suddenly I am made the leader and representative of all griefers and gankers?
Wow ... I am honored.
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#414 - 2012-01-19 21:13:21 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Krissada wrote:


...And you really think this is working as intended?

…"PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again?

...Is this really something you approve of?

...You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?



Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


...f you need a lot of ISK to PVP, you are following along an incorrect concept that PVP is like a hole in space in which you throw enormous amounts of ISK.



Need ISK to PvP is an "incorrect concept"? PvP IS a smoke filled HOLE in space where SOMEONES ship just was... and, unless they ragequit, needs now to be REPLACED... and that takes ISK.

Unless….
You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself?
Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose?
Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage?
Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?

I’ve looked up a lot of people’s fight records... haven’t seen one yet good enough at PvP to not need ISK... most, even the good ones, lose ships and to replace em, they need ISK. It is the basis of the market.

ISK is the fuel that powers the PVP-E/Market/Industry/Mining/etc./etc. … engine that is EVE.... moar fuel = moar people who can 'afford' PvP and all the other things we do here. Hell even Krissada understand this, ISK = “PvP time” his/er words.

Yes, Krissada, I approve of the game mechanics "as they are' in EVE… You make ISK to be able to do the things you want to do ingame. PvP, explore, PvE, W-space, own a POS, null, or just sit in Jita and fatten yer wallet and never ever undock…

But here is the REAL issue, your real agenda stated clearly for all to see…

“You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?”

Hell no. I do not think anyplayer has the right to dictate to anyone else where/how the most rewarding feature in EVE should be.

How would you like it if the “Opt out of PvP” button people get their way? Or better, if they were able to force you to not have PvP as an option? If you got CONCORDED every time you attacked a ship NO MATTER where you are in EVE and you are left with just mining or L4’s or somesuch? What if they could force you to play their way?

Krissada… the issue here is you don’t like others doing something you don’t like. It has nothing to do with balancing, or fairness… it is about your dislike that there is anyone here who you can’t attack as you please. You and your ilk want null rules to be THE rules. Well, then make some MONEY, start a company, hire some devs and create and market your own MMO.

I guess it must be irritating for you though… sittin out there in lo and null… big ol deserts with very few players per square star system… and just over the horizon… the glow of the city lights of Empire just FILLED with people going about their business… and you can’t kill them as you please.

I am sure the real pirates back in the day… felt exactly the same when they looked towards England and France… from their lonely desert islands far, far away. They hated then, as you hate now. And for the same reasons.

GOD I love this game… =]



BRAVO! BRAVO! M*$%#^F**KING ENCORE!
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#415 - 2012-01-19 21:18:52 UTC
yeah am making way to much ISK in incursion, payd for this account untill january 2013 i guss is not good for CCP to get ppl play EvE for long period ahaid someone must stop this madness now !

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#416 - 2012-01-19 21:25:39 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain.


Agreed. Normally I wouldnt dare take my non expendable retriever into a WH for some mining, however lately, the entire areas have been so empty, it's easy to hop in, farm a few million in Arkonor, and leave quietly, nobody ever even knowing I was there.

(There was one case where someone found me, we talked, he scared me to teach me a lesson, and left me to my happy mining)
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#417 - 2012-01-19 21:28:34 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:

You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?

In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge!


So suddenly I am made the leader and representative of all griefers and gankers?
Wow ... I am honored.


No, just the loudest and most visible hipocrit amoung them, at the moment.
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#418 - 2012-01-19 21:28:51 UTC
Krissada wrote:

(unintelligible ‘words’)(keep getting ‘Function Not Allowed’)


I was amused… and hence the trolling was deserved and appropo. =]

And youngun I been a lost cause longer than you been alive betcha… and lovin it! LOL

Not my words dearie… YOURS.

“We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet…”
“…stopping the ISK faucet..”

Just the 1st 2 I found… so, whos ISK Faucet you so worried/upset/whiney about??

Not yours as we can see, you dunt run Incursions… oh… wait, you are GOING to run Incursions (kill the Moms)… to mess with the people who make too much ISK from running Incursions in a way you dunt approve of… I see, yes, it has nothing to do with anyone making moar ISK than you… just making moar ISK than they should be allowed to… by you.

I prostrate myself and beg your forgiveness… LOL

And I am sorry Krissada, but I believe in ME!!! =]


Krissada- “People keep interpreting what I say incorrectly.”

If it is a long term, continuing pattern of misinterpretation… IE “they” “keep” doing it…
One cannot but help to wonder if it is because you are, quite simply, full of it… and the interpretations are actually, correct… hmmm.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#419 - 2012-01-19 21:57:17 UTC
/Thread

Hmmm
mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers
#420 - 2012-01-19 22:03:42 UTC
Everyone above this line has been trolled

Darius III for CSM! Or your money back!