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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Clennel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1181 - 2016-12-17 02:02:42 UTC
Imalia Bloodlines wrote:


Don't bother with burners until you get frig skill to V together with guns and missiles(garmur for teams)


With all due respect, that might be overstating the matter a little bit. Certainly having all the racial frig skills at 5 is ideal, and less than 4 is probably a handicap in some instances. But having ALL at level certainly isn't a hard and fast requirement. Having said that, I would say the two most important ones are:

Minmatar: A typical burner runner is probably going to use 2 or 3 Daredevil fits. All of those will have at least 1 webber and there is NO OTHER skill that is going to increase the effectiveness of said webber other than Min Frig. In addition, I like to pull missions in a Claw (one of, if not, the fastest interceptors in the game)

Caldari: 5 burner missions (4xteam plus the Daredevil) are going to beneift greatly from the missile/rocket bonuses with the typical Garmur and Hawk fits.

Sure Gallente/Amarr can and should be trained up, but I just see them as a lesser priority compared to Minmatar/Caldari. (Full disclosure: DDs, a Garmur, a Hawk and a Wolf are my current primary(only) agent/team ships)
Clennel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1182 - 2016-12-17 02:13:10 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Burner missions are bugged or tweaked again;

I cant break a tank of even a stupid Logi ship doing:
Anomic Team (Vengeance + Inquisitor)

Come on im using more above 200 dps with my Garmur, and this is some kind of B$

#pindy z ccp


A common mistake I make in the teams is to forget to turn on the Missile Guidance Computers. Leaves me thinking the very same thing until I realize my error P Fortunately it never results in anything worse than just some wasted ammo.
Clennel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1183 - 2016-12-17 02:28:01 UTC
I hate my Wolf for the Blood Raider Cruor mission. The main problem is it usually takes about 6 or 7 booster charges to complete - making the the opex one of the highest of my burners. Has anybody come up with a better fit or strategy to nail this one down quicker/more efficiently? I could add some bling to the gyros but I'm not sure how much that would help.

(that NOS in there was something I had laying around in my hangar and I find it keeps the webber running while the cap booster reloads)


[Wolf, W4CR]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating

Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I

200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Imperial Navy Small Energy Nosferatu
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II

Small Anti-Thermal Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II



Republic Fleet Fusion S x1483
Navy Cap Booster 400 x8
Rei Y
Minmatar Citizen 90483936 Corporation
#1184 - 2016-12-17 09:19:32 UTC
has anyone noticed any changes in burner defender missiles? as in, do they still have them?
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1185 - 2016-12-17 10:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Ploing wrote:
did u use the right ammo ? (nova)

Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) -
been hitting the logi pretty fine,
with 3 BCU II -
the problem is that they orbiting on the oposite site of the Vengeance so its hard to keep good distance to hit it;
I wasted like 1000 Caldari Rockets to do it;
Even with rockets hitting at 28KM..


Had to fly manualy, but then.. surprise, something went wrong and after 6 tries i get cought in web,scram by vengeance and puff Garmur died.

This missions are really pathetic.

I think im gonna keep drop them, cause im also tired of the ECM worm stuff with drones geting ate all over again :)
Clennel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1186 - 2016-12-17 12:14:55 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did u use the right ammo ? (nova)

Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) -
been hitting the logi pretty fine,
with 3 BCU II -
the problem is that they orbiting on the oposite site of the Vengeance so its hard to keep good distance to hit it;
I wasted like 1000 Caldari Rockets to do it;
Even with rockets hitting at 28KM..


Had to fly manualy, but then.. surprise, something went wrong and after 6 tries i get cought in web,scram by vengeance and puff Garmur died.

This missions are really pathetic.

I think im gonna keep drop them, cause im also tired of the ECM worm stuff with drones geting ate all over again :)


Something's wrong with either your strategy or fit then. Normally you would just orbit the main target at 20km (25km for Jaguar) and all 3 will fall into a pretty steady distance. It might take a moment for the logi to get into their postions - I usually don't open fire until they do. But once they are in position they rarely deviate more than 1 or 2 km. Maybe if you posted your fit we could take a look and see if there's anything that doesn't look right. (BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance)
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1187 - 2016-12-17 14:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did u use the right ammo ? (nova)

Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) -


as Clennel stated you used the wrong ammo for the logis.

Clennel wrote:
(BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance)
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1188 - 2016-12-17 16:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Ploing wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Ploing wrote:
did u use the right ammo ? (nova)

Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) -


as Clennel stated you used the wrong ammo for the logis.

Clennel wrote:
(BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance)


I misstyped;
Were using thermal as mentioned here:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=AnomicTeam4am

FIT:

Cheap Alternative
[Garmur, Team Burner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Missile Guidance Computer II
Phased Scope Target Painter
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Polarized Rocket Launcher
Polarized Rocket Launcher
Polarized Rocket Launcher

Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x3000
Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket x1183
Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x2491
Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket x5632
Mjolnir Javelin Rocket x842

This game is funny - i did the mission in not a much than 4 mln isk Kestrel... damn you ccp
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1189 - 2016-12-17 17:15:13 UTC
thermal is the wrong type for the logis. you have to use explosive.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1190 - 2016-12-18 12:57:43 UTC
That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM...
its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw.
Clennel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1191 - 2016-12-18 14:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Clennel
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM...
its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw.


The current best practice seems to be use a rocket-based Garmur and forget the ECM. Then they become the safest and most reliable burner missions of them all (IMHO).

In regards to your previous post, the info in that link is simply incomplete. And on your fit, you may want to replace a BCS with a Co-Processor so you can fit a 2nd MGC in the empty mid slot. (Unless of course you'e depending on the 3rd BCS for DPS)
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1192 - 2016-12-18 15:09:30 UTC
Clennel wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM...
its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw.


The current best practice seems to be use a rocket-based Garmur and forget the ECM. Then they become the safest and most reliable burner missions of them all (IMHO).

In regards to your previous post, the info in that link is simply incomplete. And on your fit, you may want to replace a BCS with a Co-Processor so you can fit a 2nd MGC in the empty mid slot. (Unless of course you'e depending on the 3rd BCS for DPS)


I just finished the 3rd burner team using a 4 mln isk kestrel - ecm
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1193 - 2016-12-18 16:05:09 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I just finished the 3rd burner team using a 4 mln isk kestrel - ecm


when you can finish it in a kestrel and not in a garmur you doin something wrong.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1194 - 2016-12-18 16:26:10 UTC
Ploing wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I just finished the 3rd burner team using a 4 mln isk kestrel - ecm


when you can finish it in a kestrel and not in a garmur you doin something wrong.


Yeah - garmur fit were not ecm =)
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1195 - 2016-12-18 16:43:03 UTC
tbh ecm is not needed.

just use the right ammo

Use the following ammo for the specific rats:

Hawk, Bantam, Burst: Mjolnir

Enyo, Navitas, Inquisitor: Nova

Vengeance: Inferno

Jaguar: Scourge

(thats copy paste from anizes guide.)
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1196 - 2016-12-18 16:48:30 UTC
Mate i triple check the resistance (thermal for veng. is not working) -
the problem is that the logi ship didnt stay in range;
not in a kestrel with ecm i just finished 5th burner mission in a blaze;
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1197 - 2016-12-18 16:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
but at the point you failed you could not kill the logis and used thermal on them right?

and for your range issue use

[Garmur, Polarized rocket teamburner CHEAP]
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Range Script
Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Range Script
Peripheral Compact Target Painter

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1198 - 2016-12-18 17:17:54 UTC
thx gonna try it
Victor Osinov
Vault-tech inc
#1199 - 2016-12-19 00:01:31 UTC
Best way to do them is to invite a friend in a jamming ship or dual box.
Angie Oxifor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1200 - 2016-12-19 13:49:50 UTC
Guys, I am running angel base with vigilant. What ammo should I use Void or antimatter ?