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BLOPs ore hauler?
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Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2016-12-04 11:18:10 UTC
As long as it's an ore hold type deal and not 30k+ of standard cargo, I don't really see any reason why it shouldn't be able to use covert cloaks, etc to 'keep pace' with the prospect or endurance or whichever of those tiny mining frigates I don't fly it is.... unless I've missed something drastically OP we can do with Ore now.


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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-12-16 06:06:46 UTC
Howabout a ship with two functions? Make an ORE blockade runner which has an ore hold instead of a cargohold, but design it entirely to be used as a blockade runner. The ability to use it in Black Ops ore runs would follow naturally.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#63 - 2016-12-16 06:18:43 UTC
not sure this really needs to be used to transport ore at over 20 AU/s with remarkable align time and a cov ops cloak.... if they did they the ore hold would need to be severely limited to make sure it was not too powerful probably to the point that we are right back where we started. if we want it to have enough hold to be useful in these sorts of ops odds are it would need to be slow and mind numbing to move w/o a cyno

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
David Grogan
NerdHerd
#64 - 2016-12-17 03:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
30k Covops hauler would be very overpowered because it has many uses other than hauling ore for a blops mining OP.


I don't mine so I don't pretend to have a solution.


no i agree with the OP so long as its an ore hold not a cargo hold

a t2 miamos so to speak

BUT it must not be allowed a covert cloak just give it the same warp strength as the other t2 hauler has

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#65 - 2016-12-17 05:37:48 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
30k Covops hauler would be very overpowered because it has many uses other than hauling ore for a blops mining OP.


I don't mine so I don't pretend to have a solution.


no i agree with the OP so long as its an ore hold not a cargo hold

a t2 miamos so to speak

BUT it must not be allowed a covert cloak just give it the same warp strength as the other t2 hauler has



problem with not giving it a cov-ops cloak is that it needs to be bridged and that would be a strange and confusing exception

giving it a very slow align time would counter this as it could easily be de-cloaked by a gate camp just like a T3C not fit for travel

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2016-12-18 10:57:19 UTC
I like this a miasmos style with a cloak and jump ability doesn't need a super high tank maybe about 20-30k at most with a decent tractor beam range or maybe speed probably 1 turret slot 3 high 5 mid 4 low? shield resist just slightly better than that t1 armor resist just a increased explosive resist no increase in hull and maybe it could work but it cannot have the same jumo range of a jump freighter for obvious reasons but yeah this is a decent idea
Lugh Crow-Slave
#67 - 2016-12-18 16:23:24 UTC
you do know it would not have its own jump drive right? also it doesn't need more than 10-15k tank as it should never be away from the fleet.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#68 - 2017-02-10 05:40:43 UTC
should it have more than one High for the cloak? or should it be made to use the MTU? figure if a T2 noct was used a tractor bonus would be reasonable

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The 16.8km Bubble
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2017-02-10 07:55:43 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
I'm going to be honest i haven't talked this out much before hand.


With the prospect we can now bridge a mining fleet out to a field in ls or null sec opening up a new form of mining. the problem is the only options you have to get the ore back is to bridge the prospects to and from the belts or use a BR. do to the low cargo of a BR the amount you need per prospect makes it more profitable just to put that man power into HS hulks. Using the prospects to go back and forth is to slow as they need to wait out the fatigue again making that man power better spent mining in HS as that is simply more isk/hr particularly when you start to factor in the iso and ozone cost for either option. however an ore transport ship with as little as 30km3 ore hold would make these fleets viable.

basically i'm just sad that a more exciting option to mining is just not a good investment back on time spent. My corp still does it to break up the monotony but i think a ship like this would get more board miners out of HS even if its only for a few hrs

tl;dr
Problem: when the prospect came out it inadvertently teased at a new form of game-play and while it is fun it is not profitable because not all the tools are there.

Solution: add in a Bridgeable ore hauler to make blops mining profitable.


Easy light a real cyno an take the rorqual . Then you can even compress your ore.

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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2017-02-10 13:33:15 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
problem with not giving it a cov-ops cloak is that it needs to be bridged and that would be a strange and confusing exception

Kind of like if we would use the specialized Epithal to build a DST, instead of the bigger standard hauler like the Itreon V. Oh wait...

About the OP: sure, why not? Giving it tractor beam speed bonus seems nice too.
Personally I would turn the Miasmos and the Kryos to ORE industrial first, and then make your idea a t2 Miasmos.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2017-02-10 14:04:08 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
should it have more than one High for the cloak? or should it be made to use the MTU? figure if a T2 noct was used a tractor bonus would be reasonable


2 high for cloak and covert cyno and not many low because we don't want it to get fast align time, especially since special holds don't pay cargo space price for low slot usages.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#72 - 2017-02-10 14:06:42 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
problem with not giving it a cov-ops cloak is that it needs to be bridged and that would be a strange and confusing exception

Kind of like if we would use the specialized Epithal to build a DST, instead of the bigger standard hauler like the Itreon V. Oh wait...




Well no the reason it would be confusing is because nothing in the game without a cov ops cloak can be bridged and everything with a cov cloak can be bridged.

Balance wise I see no issue either way but it would be a very odd exception.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#73 - 2017-02-10 14:08:38 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
should it have more than one High for the cloak? or should it be made to use the MTU? figure if a T2 noct was used a tractor bonus would be reasonable


2 high for cloak and covert cyno and not many low because we don't want it to get fast align time, especially since special holds don't pay cargo space price for low slot usages.


Definitely agree on the lows. It should be a pain to move these w/o a bridge. Not sure it needs a high for the cyno but I also don't think it would hurt it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#74 - 2017-02-22 15:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Correct me if im wrong but...aren't it would be overpowered to mine ore in null sec or any space where u can drop a covert cyno, when u are mining with covert prospect which is almost uncatchable, and with just a single button jump out the ore so u can keep mining in that prospect's fleet...

well i think it's good like it is right now;
U need a little effort to move your whole fleet back to space, drop ore and jump back,
if u cant live with jump fatigue, then just wait cloaked for the timer goes off;

U want to ask CCP to let u mine most val. ore, and easly jump it out without ANY RISK at all, to your safe space and make a profit from it?
Well - ... no :) this would be so much OP - not to mention that belt's are would have to respawn etc; And what about bridging your whole ore from high sec to null sec?

As u could just mine the most need high sec ore with prospect and jump it out with a ship what u mentioned without any risk... again =]
Lugh Crow-Slave
#75 - 2017-02-22 15:31:13 UTC
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#76 - 2017-02-22 16:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?



Well tbh i dont care about your stuff in my mtu thread as u can"t even say what u think its wrong with it ;)

2nd im not gonna read all this wall of text - if the op is too lazy to update a 1st post with idea when its changed dont blame me ;)

As your 1st post said - and my answer is for it - then this answer is correct for your idea :) live with thwt.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#77 - 2017-02-22 16:26:40 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?



Well tbh i dont care about your stuff in my mtu thread as u can"t even say what u think its wrong with it ;)

2nd im not gonna read all this wall of text - if the op is too lazy to update a 1st post with idea when its changed dont blame me ;)

As your 1st post said - and my answer is for it - then this answer is correct for your idea :) live with thwt.



just from the first post how exactly are you instantly getting out with the click of a button with no risk?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#78 - 2017-02-22 17:19:50 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?



Well tbh i dont care about your stuff in my mtu thread as u can"t even say what u think its wrong with it ;)

2nd im not gonna read all this wall of text - if the op is too lazy to update a 1st post with idea when its changed dont blame me ;)

As your 1st post said - and my answer is for it - then this answer is correct for your idea :) live with thwt.



just from the first post how exactly are you instantly getting out with the click of a button with no risk?



OK enough - u are act stupid or are stupid - im done.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#79 - 2017-02-22 17:22:50 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?



Well tbh i dont care about your stuff in my mtu thread as u can"t even say what u think its wrong with it ;)

2nd im not gonna read all this wall of text - if the op is too lazy to update a 1st post with idea when its changed dont blame me ;)

As your 1st post said - and my answer is for it - then this answer is correct for your idea :) live with thwt.



just from the first post how exactly are you instantly getting out with the click of a button with no risk?



OK enough - u are act stupid or are stupid - im done.


no i mean it if you know a mechanic i'm unaware of that would break this let me know

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#80 - 2017-02-23 07:52:21 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
... do you have any understanding of what we are talking about at all? or did you just get hurt when i said mean things about your MTU?



Well tbh i dont care about your stuff in my mtu thread as u can"t even say what u think its wrong with it ;)

2nd im not gonna read all this wall of text - if the op is too lazy to update a 1st post with idea when its changed dont blame me ;)

As your 1st post said - and my answer is for it - then this answer is correct for your idea :) live with thwt.



just from the first post how exactly are you instantly getting out with the click of a button with no risk?



OK enough - u are act stupid or are stupid - im done.


no i mean it if you know a mechanic i'm unaware of that would break this let me know


I'm not a pro player but ill guide u how to do it without any risk;

Right now u are:
U get your fleet of prospect doing a bridge in a widow cloaked somewhere in hostile space;
U are mining in hostile pipe - there is only one way in and one way out but they are not in system as they know u have to jump out to get the ore back or gonna bridge again on the other side;
U bridged again your prospect as they pretty fast filled up the cargo;
U dropped the ore in your friendly station/citadel and u have to wait again before u can do the bridge again;

U want:
U get your fleet of prospect doing a bridge in a widow cloaked somewhere in hostile space;
U are mining in hostile pipe - there is only one way in and one way out but they are not in system as they know u have to jump out to get the ore back or gonna bridge again on the other side;
With a prospect u bridged a cloaky haulers, all are 30k ore cargo and the only thing what u have to do is to just take the mined ore and jump out of the system without ANY RISK any DELAY;
U keept mining in prospects - drops ore in cans as the haulers would have a bridge delay but u DONT WASTE any time at all mining - u can even drop it somewhere in space on bookmarked location so u wont lost it;

But i barelly believe u would even try to understand that;