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corp and alliance standing fleet?
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powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-18 10:01:44 UTC
I think that the fleet set up for corp and alliance's is a bit screwy for using a standing fleet,


if the fleet boss is afk and then logs off it goes to the next person in charge but they could also be afk and beause the advert constantly shuts down and needs to be reset by the new fleet boss,

there needs to be a much better way of setting up a standing fleet and here is an idea:

if you are in a alliance either the corp ceo's or the alliance leader can make a alliance wide standing fleet.
now the can be made daily and is reset after downtime or up contantly and corp and alliance ceo's,

and director's can kick those that they think may be a spai or just got invited the fleet,

leaders of the alliance get a mail after downtime detailing who got killed, who killed what, who looted what, who left the fleet, who joined the fleet, and who invited who to fleet, and who kicked who, so on so fourth.

this is just an idea on how to improve the fleet mechanics,


if anyone has any ideas to input feel free to post
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#2 - 2016-12-18 10:12:20 UTC
Fleet boss can transfer that responsibility to another fleet member with the click of a mouse. Just right click on the character and "make boss"

If people make mistakes or simply don't follow reasonable process there should be consequences.
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-18 10:30:41 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Fleet boss can transfer that responsibility to another fleet member with the click of a mouse. Just right click on the character and "make boss"

If people make mistakes or simply don't follow reasonable process there should be consequences.


yes, that is true however, making every one suffer is not the way, there is a thing called "real life" that many people have to prioritize over eve, yes, yes, I know it is blasphemous! but it must be done.
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-12-18 10:39:44 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Fleet boss can transfer that responsibility to another fleet member with the click of a mouse. Just right click on the character and "make boss"

If people make mistakes or simply don't follow reasonable process there should be consequences.


also you should NEVER EVER punish people for being afk there are games where that is a must but mmo's like eve online is not that unless they are in null or low sec and undocked and afk then there is a way of doing that that is fine but with fleet mechanics punishing everyone is a very very bad idea for ccp to even consider,
now again this is just for standing fleets for alliance's and such this is used for them to be able to be in home territory and be together,
now for roams and such the current fleet mechanics are fine and they can make a new fleet the same way we do now
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-12-18 11:51:56 UTC
...Why? Just have a designated guy who sets up the fleets and make sure he hands off boss before he goes AFK.

And just how long do you think those director mails are going to be? ten thousand entries? More?
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-12-18 12:06:27 UTC
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
also you should NEVER EVER punish people for being afk

And being AFK is not getting punished, being lazy is. Appointing a new fleet boss, docking up and logging off takes just a minute. Why would there be a mechanic just for those once in a lifetime situations where your house catches on fire or your wife goes into labour early, in which case you may not want to spend that minute?

In those situations where they don't have that minute to appoint a new boss and log off properly, I don't think anyone minds reforming the standing fleet. In all other situations, the fleet boss is just being lazy.
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-18 12:40:03 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why? Just have a designated guy who sets up the fleets and make sure he hands off boss before he goes AFK.

And just how long do you think those director mails are going to be? ten thousand entries? More?

well we can have the entry's for each type of action separate and can also search what this toon did as well just to make it more organized,
and as to the designated guy, do you honestly think that one person can and will do that?
that is the whole idea around the fleet boss dude that why im trying to come up with ideas
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-18 12:41:14 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
also you should NEVER EVER punish people for being afk

And being AFK is not getting punished, being lazy is. Appointing a new fleet boss, docking up and logging off takes just a minute. Why would there be a mechanic just for those once in a lifetime situations where your house catches on fire or your wife goes into labour early, in which case you may not want to spend that minute?

In those situations where they don't have that minute to appoint a new boss and log off properly, I don't think anyone minds reforming the standing fleet. In all other situations, the fleet boss is just being lazy.

ok so says the guy who is being afk is lazy when we are playing a game is a bit of a HUGE derp on your end dude
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-18 12:44:13 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Fleet boss can transfer that responsibility to another fleet member with the click of a mouse. Just right click on the character and "make boss"

If people make mistakes or simply don't follow reasonable process there should be consequences.


uh no think again if they are going to go afk then they are busy with real life stuff dude eve is a game and real life SHOULD take priority but should not punish people for being unexpectedly distracted
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-18 12:53:54 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
also you should NEVER EVER punish people for being afk

And being AFK is not getting punished, being lazy is. Appointing a new fleet boss, docking up and logging off takes just a minute. Why would there be a mechanic just for those once in a lifetime situations where your house catches on fire or your wife goes into labour early, in which case you may not want to spend that minute?

In those situations where they don't have that minute to appoint a new boss and log off properly, I don't think anyone minds reforming the standing fleet. In all other situations, the fleet boss is just being lazy.


also have you ever played eve? this comment you made show me you have NEVER play in a large scale alliance or any alliance for that matter
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-12-18 15:52:04 UTC
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why? Just have a designated guy who sets up the fleets and make sure he hands off boss before he goes AFK.

And just how long do you think those director mails are going to be? ten thousand entries? More?

well we can have the entry's for each type of action separate and can also search what this toon did as well just to make it more organized,
and as to the designated guy, do you honestly think that one person can and will do that?
that is the whole idea around the fleet boss dude that why im trying to come up with ideas


So you do what we've been doing for literally years and have several guys who make the fleets when they're needed, and hand off the fleet boss when they go AFK.

And it doesn't matter how far you separate the actions. If you have a fleet of guys ratting and mining, there are going to be thousands of entries in every category.
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-12-19 01:51:28 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why? Just have a designated guy who sets up the fleets and make sure he hands off boss before he goes AFK.

And just how long do you think those director mails are going to be? ten thousand entries? More?

well we can have the entry's for each type of action separate and can also search what this toon did as well just to make it more organized,
and as to the designated guy, do you honestly think that one person can and will do that?
that is the whole idea around the fleet boss dude that why im trying to come up with ideas


So you do what we've been doing for literally years and have several guys who make the fleets when they're needed, and hand off the fleet boss when they go AFK.

And it doesn't matter how far you separate the actions. If you have a fleet of guys ratting and mining, there are going to be thousands of entries in every category.


and you do realize that that's your expieriance is nowere near the same as many others in eve
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-12-19 01:54:17 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why? Just have a designated guy who sets up the fleets and make sure he hands off boss before he goes AFK.

And just how long do you think those director mails are going to be? ten thousand entries? More?

well we can have the entry's for each type of action separate and can also search what this toon did as well just to make it more organized,
and as to the designated guy, do you honestly think that one person can and will do that?
that is the whole idea around the fleet boss dude that why im trying to come up with ideas


So you do what we've been doing for literally years and have several guys who make the fleets when they're needed, and hand off the fleet boss when they go AFK.

And it doesn't matter how far you separate the actions. If you have a fleet of guys ratting and mining, there are going to be thousands of entries in every category.



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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2016-12-19 07:06:23 UTC
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:

and you do realize that that's your expieriance is nowere near the same as many others in eve


It isn't difficult to say 'whoever is online from this list please make sure standing fleet is up, and pass off boss before you go afk'.
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-12-19 09:14:21 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:

and you do realize that that's your expieriance is nowere near the same as many others in eve


It isn't difficult to say 'whoever is online from this list please make sure standing fleet is up, and pass off boss before you go afk'.


no **** Sherlock, stoopid forum trolls
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2016-12-19 18:24:50 UTC
...So why are you arguing for a game mechanic to replace that, and telling me that doing exactly that is somehow not the experience of many others in eve?

If it can be done already, is not difficult to do already, and you yourself admit both of these things, why the hell does there need to be a game mechanic to do it for you?
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#17 - 2016-12-19 18:33:46 UTC
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:

and you do realize that that's your expieriance is nowere near the same as many others in eve


It isn't difficult to say 'whoever is online from this list please make sure standing fleet is up, and pass off boss before you go afk'.


no **** Sherlock, stoopid forum trolls

You called?

--Gadget




BTW... your idea is dumb. -1

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2016-12-19 18:41:11 UTC
Since we can safe our fleet setup with settings and all, why is it difficult for you to make a new one, load your settings and create an ad for your alliance buddies?

Takes what 5 seconds?

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2016-12-19 18:47:15 UTC
Just drop fleet and reform.

It is not that hard.

And if you are a very large alliance with hundreds of people in a fleet... well... I don't really have sympathy for you.
There is a "penalty" associated with consolidating leadership roles into only a few people.


If you want to prevent things like this from happening in the future...

- de-centralize the fleet and allow others to act as de facto commanders if the main fleet boss goes AFK

- once you create a fleet, expand the available wings, and squads to maximum. Make it the Squad Leaders' job to invite people.

- if the fleet boss leaves fleet and doesn't appoint another boss... and the boss title goes to an AFK person... take names, keep doing what you do, and skewer the person later for not dropping fleet BEFORE he/she went afk (this is where personal responsibility comes into play).

- in a pinch, nuke fleet and reform.

How did you Veterans start?
Iain Cariaba
#20 - 2016-12-19 19:30:29 UTC
If your fleet boss routinely goes afk and leaves the standing fleet on it's own, that's an issue with your fleet boss.
If no one in your corp is willing to step up and start a new standing fleet when that happens, it's an issue with your corp.

None of these are issues that CCP needs to fix.
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