Science & Industry

AFAIK you won't get a notification, but it is trivial to just check the owning corps war information. You could also very easily monitor this through CREST if you were so inclined. Not 100% sure pending wars show up.

Shield reinforcement does not affect the functionality of the structure. It is a 24 hour timer. After the armor is broken comes the 6 day timer, and that will halt service modules.

Not sure if anything changed with this, but at least in initial sisi testing it was possible to cancel in-progress jobs during the armor timer. Not sure about delivering. I would expect not.

To date, exactly 2 highsec ECs have been destroyed, so I'd say they're fairly low-risk. Most jobs can simply be installed "around" the vuln timer, if you're still that concerned.

You only see in public the current window, whether it's vulnerable or not and how long till the next window.

However, there is still the risk that the owner doesn't provide fuel for the manufacturing service module (your jobs will stop and you can't cancel them without losing your material, you can just cross fingers or urge the owner that he provides fuel again), or, even worse, that he simply unfits the service module (your jobs will cancel and material is lost immediately).

Looks like a borked mechanic to me. Not to CCP I reckon.

Well, I'm a returning player, so I've got the isk but missing the knowledge apparently... did not think that something like that might happen, since it doesn't make any sense. Why not just return the mats to the producer?
If it is really intended like that, it completely breaks using other ppls stations for me. If the owner of the station feels like ruining me, he can just unfit his service modules. Completely stupid.

That is seriously bad juju.

At the very least I would expect you to get an "Are you sure you want to do this warning?" when you try to remove a service.

A dialog box that said "WARNING, removing this service module will cancel XX# of jobs currently in progress" would at lest let the owner know what they were doing.

I think, not only returning players will fall into that trap. I doubt that this mechanic is well-known. I discovered it more or less accidentally when I did a few tests on SiSi, since I got no convincing answers how it actually works. I had luck finishing my live production jobs without loss but will think twice to start a new expensive batch in a public EC.

Most corps who build an EC in high sec and make the services public don't have bad intentions, I believe. They just don't have the tools to change services without destroying the property of somebody else accidentally. At least there should be some way to shut down a service module in a safe way. Simple things would already help, like a flag that the owner can set to disallow starting new jobs and just displaying to them when the last job will finish - and of course proper warnings when they try to shut down the service.

You didn't get a mail when your jobs were canceled, the jobs were simply gone, right? How can you know that the owner removed the service module (and perhaps added it again afterwards, so that it looks like the manufacturing plant was available without interruption)? Disappearing jobs look like a bug to me... I would write a bug report. Maybe they blush at least if they should answer, "that's not a bug, but a feature". Maybe it isn't actually a feature, who knows? The help center still doesn't know what ECs are and how they are supposed to work and it says that production in citadels isn't available yet.

I think that the "forgot to put fuel in" is the largest risk that players using citadels/EC have. An option to let players outside the corporation add fuel (perhaps right click, "add fuel") would mitigate the risk. I have encountered a number of citadels in high sec that had T2 reprocessing rigs where the reprocessing module goes offline several weeks later. There is no way for the owners to charge for reprocessing/compressing, so it becomes a net loss if they themselves are not using the services.

An option to let other players add fuel would be a simple way to tip owners of citadels and to keep services going when the owners themselves go offline.

The new structures have got an infinite fuel bay.
A POS was limited to around 30 days.


A module costs around 3M ISK fuel per day.
1B ISK of fuel, will let run ONE modul for nearly one year...

I think you're missing the point. Nobody says you shouldn't be allowed to do this. What people want is a way to avoid doing this if that was not the intention.

If you purposely WANT people to lose their jobs/mats, would it kill you to have to click twice (once to uninstall, once to confirm that, yes, you know jobs are running)?

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