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Tech2 Blueprint Originals
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ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#1 - 2016-12-16 12:27:40 UTC
I remember the lottery system or aka the rigged system once upon a time. Are blue print originals still in the game and if so, why?

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#2 - 2016-12-16 12:29:43 UTC
Only existing ones are still in game. There are no more new T2 BPOs. The only way to manufactue T2 stuff is by invention now.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#3 - 2016-12-16 12:31:55 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Only existing ones are still in game. There are no more new T2 BPOs. The only way to manufactue T2 stuff is by invention now.



Ok and why weren't the existing ones removed or at least downgraded to a certain amount of runs? lol that is so broken.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-12-16 12:59:08 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Only existing ones are still in game. There are no more new T2 BPOs. The only way to manufactue T2 stuff is by invention now.



Ok and why weren't the existing ones removed or at least downgraded to a certain amount of runs? lol that is so broken.


It's honestly not as bad as people think.
Yes they are isk printing machines. But for most of them the profit margins are so little vs their value (mostly as collectors jtems) that it will take years to turn a profit.

As for why they weren't removed... they are a legacy item. And one whose core mechanics have not actually changed, is fully functional. And while expensive can still be bought and sold by players.
Just because there is no new ones entering the game does not merit their removal.

By that logic all alliance tournament ships should he removed
After all, they where not made universally available. No new ones are entering the market. They are massively expensive and give a big advantage to those who have them... at least with tech 2 you can still acquire the copies
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#5 - 2016-12-16 13:36:45 UTC
Once upon a time 24 adaptive nano plating bpcs sitting in my hangar as rewards turned into t2 bpos when ccp decided to seed the t1 variant bpo. and you want this type of black magic reversed?.

How very dare you



Ra
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#6 - 2016-12-16 13:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
T2 BPOs are broken, imba and unfair until I can get my hands on one :)
Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-12-16 14:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
ACESsiggy wrote:
Ok and why weren't the existing ones removed or at least downgraded to a certain amount of runs? lol that is so broken.


Get used to people having stuff that you'll never get access to. BPO's. Unique ships. All skills 5. Trillion ISK. The trust of the entire community. Direct access to devs. Character history going back all the way to 2003.

So broken.

EDIT: BPO's are of Miner II. Nobody gives a **** about Miner II's.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#8 - 2016-12-16 14:52:14 UTC
They have rebalanced the invention in relation to the BPOs twice now. Each time increasing the rewards for the invention versus the BPOs. With economies of scale there is literally no way a T2 BPO can even begin to compete with the invention. There used to be a few items that a BPO holder could still sell into and oversupply the market, I havent checked recently, but the used stuff its way better profit to use more slots rather than the BPO and has been for years now.

I like that CCP found a way to not remove them and kept them as Legacy items.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#9 - 2016-12-16 16:54:32 UTC
NO, u can't have mine!!!

I only have the FFING one! You know how long i had to wait for it?

And no, it's not for sale, it's like my medal for sticking around for so long! P
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-12-16 16:57:40 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Only existing ones are still in game. There are no more new T2 BPOs. The only way to manufactue T2 stuff is by invention now.



Ok and why weren't the existing ones removed or at least downgraded to a certain amount of runs? lol that is so broken.



They're largely irrelevant and mostly function as historical relics, collector's items, and utilities for extracting salt from people who are bad at math.

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mkint
#11 - 2016-12-16 17:06:47 UTC
Both supply and demand are at such high levels, the BPOs reflect a negligible portion of the market. The cost of them is so high that the rate of return is basically nothing. The only real value is collectors value.

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Memphis Baas
#12 - 2016-12-16 19:29:49 UTC
You guys are not responding properly. OP has posted a whine. Gotta goad him more, extract extra salt. This is General Discussion, dammit.
Vigirr
#13 - 2016-12-16 20:59:11 UTC
OP clearly doesn't understand maths and game mechanics. These days those BPO are pretty much useless compared to the onslaught of invention BPC, the effort & time it takes is hardly worth it.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-12-16 21:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Memphis Baas wrote:
You guys are not responding properly. OP has posted a whine. Gotta goad him more, extract extra salt. This is General Discussion, dammit.


They're not even good enough to troll about anymore. In a generous month, both of my BPOs only generate maybe 20 billion. It's barely worth the effort to plug them in.

I have to wring the rest of my monthly whelp budget out of the taxes on my personal fleet of highsec POCOs and the peasants who use them.

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-12-17 01:56:17 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
You guys are not responding properly. OP has posted a whine. Gotta goad him more, extract extra salt. This is General Discussion, dammit.


In a generous month, both of my BPOs only generate maybe 20 billion. It's barely worth the effort to plug them in.

Just for the record, I hate you. Shocked

Sad
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2016-12-17 03:21:05 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
I remember the lottery system or aka the rigged system once upon a time. Are blue print originals still in the game and if so, why?


Wow, haven't seen one of these stupid threads in awhile. T2 modules have never been cheaper mostly as a result of changes to industry primarily aimed at invention.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2016-12-17 03:38:36 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
ACESsiggy wrote:
I remember the lottery system or aka the rigged system once upon a time. Are blue print originals still in the game and if so, why?


Wow, haven't seen one of these stupid threads in awhile. T2 modules have never been cheaper mostly as a result of changes to industry primarily aimed at invention.

I think removing negative me/te levels on invented bpcs did a lot to squash these threads, that said a lot of the math was on the side of invention even then.

I like browsing contracts by most expensive just to see what t2 bpos are up for sale and every now and then I'll look at them in industry and just laugh a bit at whoever buys them.

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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#18 - 2016-12-17 07:37:23 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Only existing ones are still in game. There are no more new T2 BPOs. The only way to manufactue T2 stuff is by invention now.



Ok and why weren't the existing ones removed or at least downgraded to a certain amount of runs? lol that is so broken.


Because the invented copies now don't have negative ME an TE and T2 BPO are capped at ME 20 TE 10;
because inventing cost very little beside the skills;
because punishing everyone that has got them legally because someone has cheated to get them is wrong;
and because it bugs people like you.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#19 - 2016-12-17 10:02:49 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
Because the invented copies now don't have negative ME an TE and T2 BPO are capped at ME 20 TE 10;
because inventing cost very little beside the skills;
because punishing everyone that has got them legally because someone has cheated to get them is wrong;
and because it bugs people like you.



Punishing by receiving it legally?

They changed the system because it was broken from what I was told. If the past lottery system was broken/rigged and bpo's were handed out to "certain players", why overhaul the entire mechanic with receiving t2 blueprints but yet leave players the bpo.... that just doesn't add up. Some have said it is more of a collectors item or that the profit margin is negligible. It's the premise that a system was in place but removed due to issues yet left it with no explanation.

Now if the profit margins are negligible or that it's only a collectors item like the Scaled Model of [RFS] Mah'tu Rea, please go ahead and contract them to me guys :)

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#20 - 2016-12-17 10:14:43 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Now if the profit margins are negligible or that it's only a collectors item like the Scaled Model of [RFS] Mah'tu Rea, please go ahead and contract them to me guys :)

Why would anyone contract a collectors item to you?

I know what you were really getting at, but the logic of what you actually wrote is missing.
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