EVE General Discussion

Can I have your stuff before you rage quit. Send me all of your isk. ty.

I would really like to see what happens with any type of acquisition but especially the changes afterward. Like do you go ahead and monetize the game more, or do you attempt a reboot in Unity or something. Because the IP isn't necessarily tied to this implementation of a game.

Before you invest you do some research, right. And then it comes out that EVE is still run on stackless python which people became aware of its age... in 2009 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/588958/what-are-the-drawbacks-of-stackless-python

I'd like to hear those conversations between investors and consultants about whether EVE can be developed anywhere else by anyone new, and the answers that basically amount to "no it has to keep the people it has. In Iceland."

This isn't a game that uses a modified Unreal build, or resembles anything that anyone has worked on in the last ten years. Just something else to think about while we argue about whether EVE is being sold or what. EVE isn't a late-ish model car with some miles on it. It's a one-off prototype that still runs but is the only one of its kind. Good luck finding mechanics

What do I hope for... a rewrite, and I don't care where it comes from. There are improvements to be made everywhere, including the client-side where everything is rendered for a flat cost, no matter what's on screen. It's what SC does.

As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).

For some perspective, though, SC has been in development for 4 years now. That's more than 1/4 of the time EVE has been live. So. While it might sound like I'm talking bad about EVE, I'm just trying to keep it real.

Amen, screw mainstream. I will never ever understand how folks (like apparently Rain6637) aspire to have this game go mediocre. That's what mainstreaming does.

EVERY band that had a good sound then went mainstream turned to crap. EVERY good restaurant/eatery that 'branched out' and franchised itself to death turned into a crappy version of McDonalds.

And every.singe.game that started out small with a unique concept that tried to go 'mainstream' failed (because mainstream players don't want complexity and depth, they want ease and to be told a story and to be made to feel like a 'hero' for just starting up the game).

I knoew investors and stakeholders (who only care about ever increasing income) want to see things like EVE go mainstream. I'd rather see EVE actually die and become a fond memory of a a time when game companies made games for adults (adults that don't need to play space barbie at that) than to see any more 'mainstreaming'.

I agree, actually, but not as part of the EVE client. Did you ever play Sim City 2000? There was another game they made called Sim Copter that could be played as a stand-alone game where you'd fly a helicopter around SimCities, but you could also 'link' it to SC2000 so you could fly around in the cities you built yourself. You didn't need simcopter to play and experience simcity, though, it was an optional extra.

I actually support ambulation, but I don't want it bloating my client any more than it already does. I refuse to download it, completely, because I'll never use it. That's space on my hard drive which I don't want to burn on something I'll never use. But I do support its development, if for no other reason than to get people to stop whining about WiS already, but it needs to be an optional extra that can interact with EVE on some unnecessary level, and not part of the existing client that people are required to use to get things done in EVE that they've always been able to do without it.

Let me guess, you read what i wrote, realized it was true, and surrendered on the spot. That's always easier than defending your preferences I guess.

So I would also accept this gameplay being NOVA part. Just a thing that would bring together two communities into one.

Maybe NOVA with social module where you can import character from EVE and use it as clone for personal vendettas. Maybe even some PvE with rogue drones. Where tacticians could come together and debate around a table with galaxy map, in their own citadel on planet surface or around orbit. Killing time together with minigames and gambling while vulnerability window ticks out.

I wonder how difficult it would be to make NOVA a part of EVE in that sense, that you coulld use CQ and past door there would be this NOVA part. Downloaded independently, but doors bringing it together.

You really can't say ambulation in a space game is pointless when other space games are pretty much grounded in avatar gameplay. You also can't have a group of people as big as the monument shooter collective and believe a meaningful portion of them have done anything creative in their lives or have any expertise in what's fun. That you play EVE at all is a mark against you.

guys, just RELAX! it wont shut down!

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That's quaint, but now that Windows 10 is supposedly the last version of Windows and will be maintained with updates forevermore, keeping the client stable is more or less solved. It might not become anything more than what it's been without some major changes, but at the least you can keep it running.

The biggest shame is the timeline of the last five years in space games. EVE didn't cause the spawn of these other games, but sometimes when you don't do something, it creates the niche so someone else can do it.

Ambulation dev and World of Darkness dev wasn't going as smooth as possible (understatement), but it was coming along. I mention WoD because that's the group of people where ambulation dev came from, and it's where we got CQ. You have to recognize that. You simply don't grow the expertise to do that sort of thing in-house overnight.

So then in 2011 the monument shooting thing happens. [Skipping ahead through the travesties that affected good professionals in the gaming industry] The next year, Chris Roberts starts giving interviews about this game he's thinking of doing, and he even pokes fun at EVE by saying it won't involve "imagine (tm)."

And then there is a reboot of Elite. And then HMDs happen. Graphics cards are twice as fast now and those 3D experiences are more deliverable than ever. EVE could have been at the start of dismounted / avatar space gameplay but no, you have people who sexually identify as spaceships or some **** who want to keep EVE what it is

There's a formula to things like movies and games. You present the player with something identifiable, like the image of a human being. How many games can you think of (that last longer than an ipad app like candy crush) where you aren't grounded in the game as a human character? Or even a human-like character

You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.

There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.