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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-01-19 19:14:47 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Nonsense.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#42 - 2012-01-19 19:14:51 UTC
Kaleigh, they had slaves. In a Sigil. In lowsec. Republic...lowsec.

If you are practicing slavery in the Republic prepare to be smacked around, either by the Fleet in hisec or the militia in lowsec. The Imperials enforce their law in their space, and so too shall the Republic. If these people were willing and not slaves, then I find it odd they were explicitly marked as slaves in the manifests and that PIE Inc made no effort to contact the authorities or militia folks beforehand about their supposed humanitarian endeavor.

Reasonable enough?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2012-01-19 19:16:09 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#44 - 2012-01-19 19:16:54 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
practicing slavery


The Empire has no need of practice.

It is quite skilled.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#45 - 2012-01-19 19:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?

Edit:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Nonsense.


Either of you?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-01-19 19:24:09 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?

Edit:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Nonsense.


Either of you?


Neutral: Adjective - Not helping or supporting either of two opposing sides, esp. countries at war; impartial.

Removing slaves from Imperial territory by questionable methodology is by definition supporting those opposed to slavery.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2012-01-19 19:29:06 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?


Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces.

It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral.

But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#48 - 2012-01-19 19:29:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?

Edit:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Nonsense.


Either of you?


Neutral: Adjective - Not helping or supporting either of two opposing sides, esp. countries at war; impartial.

Removing slaves from Imperial territory by questionable methodology is by definition supporting those opposed to slavery.



Do you have proof as to the location of their Matriculation centres to suggest they are outside of Imperial space?

I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2012-01-19 19:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#50 - 2012-01-19 19:31:32 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?


Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces.

It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral.

But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.


Nonsense, this is you throwing your toys out of the pram on a rash action in a case of "Well they do it, so can we!"

You can't pick and choose your fans Admiral. You could create a drink brand that the Amarrian Empire simply couldn't get enough of, yet the taste of it isn't popular in the Republic, does that mean your drink is pro Amarrian? No, they're just the ones who like it.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-01-19 19:36:43 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.


Elaborate

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2012-01-19 19:36:51 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.


Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.


Do you have proof of this?


Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces.

It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral.

But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.


Nonsense, this is you throwing your toys out of the pram on a rash action in a case of "Well they do it, so can we!"

You can't pick and choose your fans Admiral. You could create a drink brand that the Amarrian Empire simply couldn't get enough of, yet the taste of it isn't popular in the Republic, does that mean your drink is pro Amarrian? No, they're just the ones who like it.


You may consider human morality to be the equivalent of a can of Quafe, but I like to think that there's more to human actions than that.

And like I said - the Disciples already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#53 - 2012-01-19 19:38:37 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation.


Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-01-19 19:40:16 UTC
I think the imperials prefer the term "saving" as opposed to "raiding".

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#55 - 2012-01-19 19:40:33 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:

I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.


Elaborate


Ever tried transporting slaves in Caldari space?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2012-01-19 19:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Kalaratiri wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation.


Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'.


They wanted a better life outside the warzone.

And you would deny that to them

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#57 - 2012-01-19 19:51:48 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation.


Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'.


They wanted a better life outside the warzone.

And you would deny that to them


You invaded. Who's denying what?

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#58 - 2012-01-19 19:52:22 UTC
And you must have missed the part where I said I'm an all-powerful industry tycoon who owns 80% of Ducia's shares and has been playing the Imperial market since before you were born.

Substantiate your claims, sir.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-01-19 19:58:34 UTC
They where denyed a better life outside the republic... Sadly most are dead now. Civilians cut down by forces sword to protect them... Sickening.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#60 - 2012-01-19 20:10:17 UTC
"We tried to nab some fresh slaves in a system we invaded and occupied, and when we fail to get away with it we'll whine and play victim about how it was actually a humanitarian action to better their lives. In spite of our willingness to shoot pacifists, a complete lack of evidence to support our claims, and ship manifests stating the slaves were in fact slaves, we are quite certain everyone will side with us."