EVE General Discussion

You are misconstruing the value of a sub.

Its core value, is in SP generation. This is even more pronounced now, by comparison to free indefinite Alphas.

Unlike most other MMOs, you dont need to grind in EVE to get SP.
All it takes, is subbed time.

The amount of time you have to actively play, is your own choice.
But the system in EVE insures you will continue to progress and receive equity from the sub, regardless of how much you actively play.

In other MMOs, a sub is completely wasted if you dont actively play.
Fortunately, this is not the case in EVE.

You have this entire situation upside down and backwards in your mind.
I find this concerning coming from a 2006 Vet.

In EVE, a sub is never wasted, no matter how much or how little you actively play.

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You can fly Dreadnoughts, yet you argue to be able to fly Mining Barges on a free Alpha account.

You argue this would be good for new players, but its you that can earn massive isk on your Dreadnaught, much more than a new Alpha player, in order to buy injectors to leverage said Mining Barge Alpha accounts, not the new players.

I find this extremely disingenuous, to the point of actively trying to infact destroy the NPE for your own advantage.

Alphas, as where trials before, are for new players, and secondarily as a systemic mechanic for additional account generation by vets.

I stand resolutely against your premises and arguments. I find them openly hostile to the community and the game at large.
I understand arguing for ones own interests and selfishness, but you have gone too far. Fly your dreadnaught, or dont. Neither is a reason to open up to your exploitation of Alphas.

I issue a categoric "no" to your posts, and will fight your attempt to destroy EVE till the last.

No.

Glad to hear it, but if you are working, a monthly sub is hardly taking food out of your children's mouths, especially if it means Daddy is happy and has a hobby he enjoys on the few hours he can play for himself.

I disagree, in fact id say the opposite. Theres not enough focus on pve.
Ideally id prefer the game have a robust quest system with deep storys and possibke cutscenes even.
But thats from someone who used to play runescape and had the questpoint cape.

Quest only items that are priceless and very hsrd to get would be great for collectors. Would fix boring pve missions by replacing thek with the longer deep quest arcs and would make missions side tasks kinda like the random quests in skyrim that you would get that repeated over and over again. Theirs plenty of interesting short storys and lore for the game thats veybinteresting and its a waste it wasnt used for anything substantial in game.

Also goes back to walking in stations and being able to get out of ships and explore quest sites or exploration sites with a 5-10 reinforcement timer on your ship and you could pvp other pilots in these sites and cant forget dust mercs being able to board ships and take them over from the inside and it would go right out of something like a clone vat bay to get mercs to mount the defense.
Thats how ive envisioned the game ending up and what i felt it should have been aiming for ever since i first learned about the game back in 2009 and then dust was announced shortly after.
Only they flopped dust by trying to do it in a startup in shanghai and shot themselves in the foot then ruined the walking in station update by adding microtransactions and not having regular stations as the first step with shops and elevators and bars and stuff.

Edit:wow those typos. Im on an android tablet and androids have the worst os ever concieved so pardon me. It would take me longer to try and accurately get the prompt over all those letters and fix them than type this.

Because thats EXACTLY what it is.....

oh god, please don't let this be the new status quo. Identical threads rehashing the same tl;dr nonsense at least once or twice a day.

Again, there is enough focus on PVE because this is a PVP game. Make PVE too interesting, and people start doing that. You don't bring the games you enjoy to something completely different, and that is what EVE is and is meant to be, something completely different. You want to turn EVE into runescape - it's not happening, so go play runescape instead. You already have that questing experience in Runescape.

EVE is something else, and it's not meant to be like everything else on the market. That's why it doesn't need any more PVE, or new unique rewards for PVE. It already has enough. Just as a PVE game, like runescape, WOW, and SWTOR, has generic and repetitive PVP, so too does this PVP game, EVE Online, have generic and repetitive PVE. It's a facilitator, nothing more.

Alright... Uuuggghhhh...

So.. whoever is actually saying that the game focusing on PVP (which, yes, is the most fun part of the game, easily if you actually look for it) and PVP only defines the experience. Explain the logic behind that. From what I understand, the open-world video game model brings complexity with it. And of course, a lot of content. So if you wanna get LOGICAL... LOGICALLY, I would assume that it is in CCP's best interest to offer gamers as much GAME as possible.

And there is a chance of people moving away from PVP to PVE? That would drive them away from PVP and thus ruin the game? You're putting that sentence and the word "logic" together? If people would entirely move away from PVP in that scenario and move to PVE... wouldn't that literally just summarize what everyone thinks of the game? If people would all move away from the PVP... wouldn't that LOGICALLY mean they find actual, fully realized PVE (and as I've said before, a fully realized game in general; with content) more stimulating in terms of gameplay? There's something very, very wrong with that... So yeah, what was that about logic?

If people ultimately don't want it... then who the hell needs it? It's in CCP's best interest to succeed and make the BEST POSSIBLE GAME THEY CAN MAKE.

And one thing that I've NEVER, EVER mentioned. Something I should have mentioned a long time ago. Is that if they were to actually complete this game. I GUARANTEE that PVP and fully realized/completed EVE/PVE could co-exist with one another. OPEN YOUR EYES. We literally have this happening right now. Take a look around you. Nullsec is where the so-called "sandbox" is shown in its definitive form. HiSec is where more traditional/casual players play. Where the PVE happens. One of the things that truly is impressive about the game is how players have managed to forge out and make a distinction between these two areas of the game. And you know what? I guarantee that it would remain the same once the game were completed. You know why? Because there is no reason NOT TO. If you currently enjoy the purist PVP, Nullsec dwelling experience (or if you're into Hisec PVP, blah), you'd still be doing just that. It wouldn't go anywhere...

Yes, and they do that by making it the most unique gaming experience available, which means not copying other MMO's and using the cookie-cutter elements they all share. EVE Online has been around for almost 14 years now, one year longer than WoW has existed. You seem to think CCP needs your help to make it successful. They really don't.

PvP pervades the fundamental nature of EVE.

PvE exists, but is susceptible to PvP, at all times and all instances.

PvP underlies everything in EVE

Note how all green PvE activity reticles float on and within the underlying red PvP reticle.

There is no escape from PvP except whilst ship-spinning in a station.

Alphas are not exempt from this. Nobody is.

We are all fish in this tank, crabs in this sandbox.
We are all prey to each other.