Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You seem to come up with a lot of ideas that can be summarized as, "Make WH space less WH spacey."

My corp uses this:

https://www.pathfinder-w.space/

It rocks.

WH connections are already mapped. A basic in game mapper isn't an unreasonable request as a result. Gameplay should not be governed by who has the most sophisticated third party tools.

I read it as mapping them onto a map, after players in the relevant corp/alliance discovered them. Obviously that's not the only way they can be read, but if the effort required was the same as for the other mappers (Discover the connection, see where it links, upload is automatic with the SSO sites isn't it), then do you have an issue with it? Some kind of temporary bookmark system would make life much better also to avoid terrible bookmark spam.

It wasn't what was asked in the OP, but I would settle for in-game mapping. Then I could tell my alliance mates who keep asking me, "where's the entrance" to shut up and use the in-game tools. Most of my time in-game seems spent trying to explain things to people over and over and over. So I am trying request features that make my life easier in-game so I can play the game I love and not micro manage every member in my alliance.
My opinion has always been, that 3rd party apps should at some point be matched or out done by in-game or game developer made.

I might be alone in the above statement, but this is EVE so I am sure I am in the same boat as others.

I even encourage my alliance friend to use tripwire and it's like water on a ducks back.

Why not, specifically when the tool does absolutely nothing the in-game tools don't already do?

I was taught to map wormholes using just a logical notation on the bookmark names. Some basic knowledge coupled with some simple deduction lets you read a properly formatted list of bookmarks like a map. The knowledge to set this up using in game tools gave us an advantage over those who didn't have those methods. What makes this any different than a third party mapping program that is infinitely easier to learn than a complicated bookmark notation system?

Yet they still created ghost fitting, a thing that in its current form was easily covered by third party tools.

Because a streamlined, bare bones ingame version of a third party tool most players consider a "requirement" to play EVE was a good idea.

And make no mistake, wormhole chain mappers are a virtually "required" tool to do things in wspace. Even if your chain mapper is just a pen, pad, and some well named bookmarks. The game does not offer a nuanced tutorial or interface for the way wormhole systems are actually used in EVE at this stage in development.

Thus its not a far stretch to equate wormhole mapping at playing EVE in the same manner as fitting sims. People who are new, who have no idea that its a thing, are at an extreme disadvantage based somely on ignorance and an already difficult to learn game being willfully difficult despite most of its players having circumvented that difficulty entirely.

Gameplay shouldn't be governed by who has the best third party tools. It should be governed by who uses the same or nearly the same set of tools most effectively.

This is what the fitting sim did for EVE. It gave every player, even fresh newbies the ability to theorycraft a ship without buying everything for it or downloading an external app.

This is what removing the 24 hour skill que for players did. It allowed players to reliably keep their training running without a third party alterting them it was time to login and refresh the que (and it was removed from alphas because those accounts are free and thus avaliable in infinite numbers)

This is all a simple ingame mapping system with a simple ability to register sigs and wormhole connections would be. A common tool, formatted in its simplest form, so that new people can use the system the same way as everyone else already does.

There is a balance place between third party tools and what the developers give.

Fitting tool should be CCP.
While the voice, i would scrap it and let third parties do it.
APIs. there should be a what to share this in-game and allow the people who have roles to see the information without having to use a third-party.

and most of the rest we already have, just not in the same formate as third party sites.

Developers should take inspiration from third-party developers and their hard work. How is it a disregard to the third party developers when they see something they made get added into the game as a feature. I would be thrilled, that a tool i made was considered such a place in the game code. Unless, credit wasn't given to the third-party developer.

CCP Seagull has the helm and we will just have to see where she takes us...
We can chat here about what should, could or would happen all we want, but it is up to her and the development teams on what features take place.

There is a tiny space-time rift between our wishes and to what is happening.

yes well this mapper is not at all needed to play eve. Hell my corp and I lived in WH for months before we started using a mapper and even when we did we hardly remembered to use it