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Venture Mining Frigate got Destroyed

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StarfighterJ
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-12 00:20:59 UTC
My free from doing Industry Mission Venture Mining Frigate got Destroyed Today LOL not sure by what happened it was so fast, and yes I was in a .04 Space trying to do the next Mission. I take it owner Ships don't re-spawn.

My Newbie Question is where do I get another Venture Mining Frigate or where can I get a the Blueprint for it?

Please Help

Thank you
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2016-12-12 00:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
There should be another in your redeem menu. alt-y. Eve is based on meaningful loss, so nothing is replaced. This includes implants you might have on your clone if you get podded as well as your ship blown up. You can insure, if you expect to be in a dangerous situation. But this becomes less useful the more expensive your ships are, and mod cost is not included. Also, you can buy on the market under ships.

Nothing wrong with going into LS as a newbie, just be ready to replace your ship first, before you make the jump. Practice your techniques in HS first then move to LS.

Once you go into LS, you need to learn to use your D-scan and pre-align techniques. Reaction speed is key so practice until the technique becomes second nature. I also recommend making insta-undocks and gate perches if you intend to fly in that area for any period of time.

Surprisingly, I've been searching for a bit and can't find a guide with all this in one place. Sorta, a pvp guide for the pve player. There has to be one, I'm just not finding it right now. My google fu is weak.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-12 01:10:14 UTC
StarfighterJ wrote:
My free from doing Industry Mission Venture Mining Frigate got Destroyed Today LOL not sure by what happened it was so fast, and yes I was in a .04 Space trying to do the next Mission. I take it owner Ships don't re-spawn.

My Newbie Question is where do I get another Venture Mining Frigate or where can I get a the Blueprint for it?

Please Help

Thank you


You can buy anything from Trade hubs. Dont know where you died, but the largest trade hubs are Dodixie, Jita, Amarr and Hek.

Dont go for blueprints, they are a waste of isk for low-cost items like this.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2016-12-12 01:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
StarfighterJ wrote:
My free from doing Industry Mission Venture Mining Frigate got Destroyed Today LOL not sure by what happened it was so fast, and yes I was in a .04 Space trying to do the next Mission.

Okay so... here are the basics:

Look on the upper left of your screen, next the system name. There is a number there.
That number is the security rating of the system.

System security can generally be broken down into 3 parts:
- 1.0 to 0.5 systems: Also called "High security," acts of uninitiated violence will result in the aggressors ship being nuked by the NPC police.
------ Note that the NPC police will not attempt to save you in any way, shape, or form. They are there strictly to punish the offender. This means you ship can potentially be destroyed before the NPCs arrive.
--------- The NPC police will not attack an aggressor if...
---------------- the hostile is part of a corporation that is at war with your corporation.
---------------- the hostile has challenged you to a duel and you accepted.
---------------- you have ignorantly or willingly aggressed someone who appears as a valid target to you.

- 0.4 to 0.1 systems: Also called "Low security," there are no NPC police that will attack any aggressor.
------- There are some token sentry guns on the stations and stargates that will melt most (solo) Frigate and Destroyer class vessels, but they will only respond when an act of violence has been initiated in front of them.
Otherwise, you are free to shoot anyone and everyone in Low-sec with impunity.

- 0.0 to -1.0 systems: Also called "Null security," there are no rules or restrictions. Your only source of "protection" comes from you and/or any allies you have with you.


I also took the liberty of looking at your killboard (simply type your character's name in the search box at this website: https://zkillboard.com/ ).

You were killed by someone in a Tech 2 (see: "very specialized") Cruiser.

Do not let it get you down. Someone flying around in a ship like that most likely has a lot of experience hunting down and nuking players far more experienced that you.
There are some tricks and tactics you can use to avoid such a situation in the future... but it takes time and experience.


StarfighterJ wrote:
I take it owner Ships don't re-spawn.

Nope. Every ship loss is permanent.

It is better to see your ship as "tool" rather than something that is "permanent"... much in the same way a Warrior would trade an axe for a lance if the situation called for it.

To use myself as an example: I usually have 2 or 3 of the same kind of ship, each fitted with slightly different modules so that they can perform differently depending on a situation.

If they blow up, I simply buy another ship of the same kind and fit it out.


StarfighterJ wrote:
My Newbie Question is where do I get another Venture Mining Frigate or where can I get a the Blueprint for it?

Go to a local trading hub (either the systems of Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, or Rens) and use the market window to buy a new ship (found on the left side of the screen).
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#5 - 2016-12-12 01:28:31 UTC
Op,

Lets talk fittings first. You had 1 miner I and 1 civilian gatling gun, with the civ ab. When you go into LS, the whole object is to mine and run. So you put the two best miner turrets you can afford.

You got jumped by a Lachesis He looks to fit a scram and a point which together is enough to beat the venture built-in warp core stabilization. It's also immune to d-scan so even though I recommend learning the dscan, it emphasizes the need to have your warp-out techniques down, because you only have a few seconds notice after they decloak.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2016-12-12 01:31:29 UTC
Iria... a Lachesis can't use a Covert-Ops cloak. You are thinking of the Arazu.

However, the Lachesis is immune to D-Scan, so what you are saying doesn't really change. Blink
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#7 - 2016-12-12 01:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Right, Thank you.

Also,

Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now. Or try to do them in your corvette. You can always repackage your corvette and reassemble it for an extra miner laser to fit. Corvette should be fine for LS missions. Maybe.... Or you can find an agent that is 2 more jumps from LS and thus far less likely to send you there.

One way to deal with the immune-to-dscan is to always be fully zoomed out in tactical mode. This way any new ships will not only be a moving dot, but an arc that is easier to see as it moves across the screen. That is your bug-out alert.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-12 07:24:19 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now.


He was doing the industry career agent missions, which should not be declined as they're a once-off (and they don't send people into lowsec)
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2016-12-12 15:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now.


He was doing the industry career agent missions, which should not be declined as they're a once-off (and they don't send people into lowsec)


The OP said his venture that he got from the career agent was blown up. So my understanding was, he would have already completed the industry career and was doing mining missions for another company.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

StarfighterJ
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-12 22:13:08 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now.


He was doing the industry career agent missions, which should not be declined as they're a once-off (and they don't send people into lowsec)


The OP said his venture that he got from the career agent was blown up. So my understanding was, he would have already completed the industry career and was doing mining missions for another company.



I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.

I did buy a new Venture

And Thank you all for the help
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2016-12-12 23:16:56 UTC
You can get all minerals by:

1. Buying them.
2. Shooting NPC (commonly in asteroid belts), collecting drops from their wrecks, and reprocessing them.

There is no need to leave hisec to complete the mission. That was a choice you made.
Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Ardevon Corporation
#12 - 2016-12-12 23:39:09 UTC
StarfighterJ wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now.


He was doing the industry career agent missions, which should not be declined as they're a once-off (and they don't send people into lowsec)


The OP said his venture that he got from the career agent was blown up. So my understanding was, he would have already completed the industry career and was doing mining missions for another company.



I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.

I did buy a new Venture

And Thank you all for the help



Hey !
Contract to you:
Venture with equipment
Nocxium & Zydrine
Cost FREE

Have Fun
Big smile

«An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour». Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154]

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Erin Oswell
Cyno Enforcement Agency
#13 - 2016-12-13 00:26:44 UTC
You can find Jaspet/Ochre belts as anomalies in highsec though you might have to roam around a little first to find them. Taking a mining frigate into LS without being prepared is as good as trying to fight Russian's. It's a) going to end badly or b) more trouble than it's worth *coughs* logoffski *coughs*.

To see anomalies you might have to turn off the filter in the probe scanner drop down menu, just above the signatures. If you wanna mine in low or null still, fit at least two warp core stabs as Ventures have an inherent warp core stabilization bonus. Also consider joining a corp if you're going to be in LS frequently that way you'll probably benifit from boosts and Intel sometimes before potential hostiles arrive in system. They'll probably give you as many Ventures as you'd need too.

Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#14 - 2016-12-13 02:21:23 UTC
StarfighterJ wrote:

I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.


For that mission, I mined the Scordite and veldspar and just bought the rest off the market. By that time my alpha had enough isk to buy it no problem.

Always think of time/isk, never feel like you're being forced to go somewhere to mine something.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Miriam Beckstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-12-13 02:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Miriam Beckstein
StarfighterJ wrote:

I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.

I did buy a new Venture

And Thank you all for the help


That's the one that gives you a frigate blueprint and has you turn in a completed frigate, yeah?

You could just buy the minerals you need from the market. Quick & easy, and reasonably cheap. Or even slightly cheaper, just buy a completed frigate from the market.

Even quicker, you could do what I did. The other 4 career agents give a selection of free frigates, one of them just happens to be the one you need for the final industry career mission. So I just handed that over to get my free hauler, and I still have the blueprint.

Erin Oswell wrote:
If you wanna mine in low or null still, fit at least two warp core stabs as Ventures have an inherent warp core stabilization bonus.


They've also got just the one low slot, so fitting 2 warp core stabs would be an impressive trick.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#16 - 2016-12-13 04:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
StarfighterJ wrote:
My free from doing Industry Mission Venture Mining Frigate got Destroyed Today LOL not sure by what happened it was so fast, and yes I was in a .04 Space trying to do the next Mission. I take it owner Ships don't re-spawn.

My Newbie Question is where do I get another Venture Mining Frigate or where can I get a the Blueprint for it?

Please Help

Thank you


The game will not refund your lost ship. Losses in this game are real for a reason, and that is to ensure that you properly account for risk, and provide real consequences for your actions.

Fortunately, the Venture is very cheap and it is easy enough to buy a new one. Also, lowsec is one of the best places to operate a Venture. The higher value of the ores will compensate for your small yields, and the Venture has the agility and capability to successfully evade most threats.

Operating a Venture in lowsec requires a decent amount of skill, and some good guidance on fittings. You should have two mining lasers on the ship as standard... If you can fit Miner II then do so. Then you will need to fit defensive modules, either to increase your shield strength and regen, or to help you escape warp scramble attacks - or some form of target lock breaking like an ECM or ECM Burst. There are many variations and a lot of them can achieve good success. But it's time to put away the civilian modules. They will do you no good.

Operating a Venture in lowsec and wormholes relies on you being fast, and not getting caught. Because, if you get caught, you're dead. Don't bother with weapons - and don't stand your ground and expect to win.
Erin Oswell
Cyno Enforcement Agency
#17 - 2016-12-13 10:28:50 UTC
Miriam Beckstein wrote:
StarfighterJ wrote:

I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.

I did buy a new Venture

And Thank you all for the help


That's the one that gives you a frigate blueprint and has you turn in a completed frigate, yeah?

You could just buy the minerals you need from the market. Quick & easy, and reasonably cheap. Or even slightly cheaper, just buy a completed frigate from the market.

Even quicker, you could do what I did. The other 4 career agents give a selection of free frigates, one of them just happens to be the one you need for the final industry career mission. So I just handed that over to get my free hauler, and I still have the blueprint.

Erin Oswell wrote:
If you wanna mine in low or null still, fit at least two warp core stabs as Ventures have an inherent warp core stabilization bonus.


They've also got just the one low slot, so fitting 2 warp core stabs would be an impressive trick.


Wow, I'm so stupid. How did I miss that one? xD My bad! I guess that's what happens when the slippery little buggers keep getting away from you.

Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"

StarfighterJ
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-12-14 00:54:17 UTC
Gwenaelle de Ardevon wrote:
StarfighterJ wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Op, You can decline one mission per agent every 4 hours. So one option is to decline LS missions for now.


He was doing the industry career agent missions, which should not be declined as they're a once-off (and they don't send people into lowsec)


The OP said his venture that he got from the career agent was blown up. So my understanding was, he would have already completed the industry career and was doing mining missions for another company.



I was doing 10 of 10 Industry Making Mountains out of MO hills Which Required me to get ores Nocixum and Zydrine.

Which are in Jaspet and hermorphite asteroids. and they seem to be only in LS 04 or lower unless you know a safer place to get please tell me.

I did buy a new Venture

And Thank you all for the help



Hey !
Contract to you:
Venture with equipment
Nocxium & Zydrine
Cost FREE

Have Fun
Big smile


Thank you for the Ship and Eqips
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#19 - 2016-12-14 00:59:28 UTC
There's always the nullbear rule of "Neutrals in local, everybody dock!"

There are lowsec systems quiet enough where that rule won't make you dock constantly.

A signature :o

Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-12-14 03:23:12 UTC
That's some good, emergent game play right there.

Grab another ship and go right back out and do it again. Just take a moment to learn some lessons from each loss and pretty quickly you will stop losing ships so often. You'll still lose them- that is the cost of doing business- but you will balance loss and profit in no time.

Also- realize what makes you vulnerable and you can turn the tables and be a hunter yourself. I promise the guy shooting you was having more fun than mining.

Even if you keep mining, the point of a Venture isn't to never be attacked, it's to be able to escape certain doom.