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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#221 - 2016-12-12 14:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.

Why every prophet wants to bring it back?

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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#222 - 2016-12-12 14:06:42 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.

Why every prophet wants to bring it back?


2016 isn't done with us yet...

Starting to think the Mayans were off by a couple of years.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Kiaksar2142
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2016-12-12 14:58:46 UTC
Seriously, you guys dont know anything and already burying the game... this is all very bad =/
radkid10
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2016-12-12 15:26:27 UTC
instead of selling your company CCP start a crowdfunding thing and have people donate to your company to keep it going
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#225 - 2016-12-12 15:49:39 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company?

For their intellectual property.

What intellectual property?
CCP is EVE and thats it. VR is near!!! break even but nothing that is so exceptional that it is worth 1B. They have knowledge in MMO but nothing that made a big success like eve. So the real asset of CCP is EVE and thats the only thing that might justify such a high price.

And the high price is something that is worrying me. If you pay 1B you are likely to expect something like 30-50M yearly and I don't see CCP able to make this amount of money without cutting back on development which will hurt Eve in the long run.

The IP for a whole universe can be quite valuable. Just ask City of Heroes.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#226 - 2016-12-12 15:50:52 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.

Why every prophet wants to bring it back?


2016 isn't done with us yet...

Starting to think the Mayans were off by a couple of years.

--Gadget

Yeah, I mean when predicting thousands of years in advance error is likely... Forgetting to divide by 0 orrrr well you know.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#227 - 2016-12-12 15:54:36 UTC
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.

Second, Eve is profitable so it's not going away. Threats of players quitting would just make things worse for Eve.


Positive Outlook: CCP management is already milking Eve to fund other projects and cutting costs to attract buyers. New buyer infuses new enthusiasm, ideas, talent and cash into the game.

Pessimistic Outlook: CCP is purchased by a company that only wants the VR IP and doesn't care about Eve and just milks all the profit out of the game and drastically cuts development & support. New management is oppressive and existing staff quits.


But again, none of this is happening soon --> enjoy the game.


Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#228 - 2016-12-12 15:55:16 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company?

For their intellectual property.

What intellectual property?
CCP is EVE and thats it. VR is near!!! break even but nothing that is so exceptional that it is worth 1B. They have knowledge in MMO but nothing that made a big success like eve. So the real asset of CCP is EVE and thats the only thing that might justify such a high price.

And the high price is something that is worrying me. If you pay 1B you are likely to expect something like 30-50M yearly and I don't see CCP able to make this amount of money without cutting back on development which will hurt Eve in the long run.

The IP for a whole universe can be quite valuable. Just ask City of Heroes.


Quafe in every convenience store.

EvE ships on luchboxes.

EvE toddler clothes ("Little Nullbear")

Eve diapers! (true sh!tfits...)

EvE CCG... (hell, I'd collect them if they looked cool).

EvE the flamethrower.

and so on.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
2Sonas1Cup
#229 - 2016-12-12 16:13:20 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.



EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.

Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#230 - 2016-12-12 16:23:09 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.



EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.

Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.


Once again....
Citation Needed.


Speculation is all well and good - and even fun and/or therapeutic.

But that's not what you're doing. You're scare mongering.
This is EvE, not pizzaagate.

We don't need random peeps showing up in Atlanta offices with rifles "asking questions".

Back up your direct facts, or stick with speculation.

--Concerned Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Othran
Route One
#231 - 2016-12-12 17:00:07 UTC
Given CCP's past investors I really don't think future investors are likely to be... more problematic? I think that's about the only way I can put this without getting my arse sued into oblivion P

Eve (core game) is a cash cow - has been for years and is even more so now given (massively) reduced power/cooling requirements on the physical hardware. You could probably feature-freeze Eve now & it'd still be going in 5-10 years time.

The rest of CCPs endeavours have ranged from "good try" to "wtf were you thinking writing your own engine with zero experience?". Their VR stuff is nice but not unique or groundbreaking. Also the market for $1000/€1000 game rigs for VR isn't large - or even small for now.

tl;dr - if someone buys CCP & messes with the core game (the one which gets news coverage) then the very best of luck selling any of the rest of the Eve "franchise" in later games.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#232 - 2016-12-12 17:09:27 UTC
They mentioned TenCent. Oh god plz no.

Also, does anyone actually believe CCP's worth has gone from 300M to 900M in the last 2 years?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Othran
Route One
#233 - 2016-12-12 17:19:38 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Also, does anyone actually believe CCP's worth has gone from 300M to 900M in the last 2 years?


Yes.

What percentage return are you getting on your investments/bank balance/etc & do you have a nice currency balance of Euro/dollar/pound to minimise risk on that?

I bet its a LOT less than the return from Eve - and you probably don't get to offset costs so much either Blink

Their value rises because if you strip out stuff like Dust/Valkyrie/etc then you find an exceptionally profitable core product. Eve.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#234 - 2016-12-12 18:10:41 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.

It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game.

I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around. Big smile



Your comments lend to my theory. Eve is not going to die. It's going to have as much lasting power as Firefly (unless they make Wil Wheaton the voice of Aura and the game does die with one big "Shut up, Wesley!"). Notice I don't say Star Wars or Star Trek. Eve is just not mainstream enough. Would it ever be in the future? You never know. Somebody might make a movie based on it or a series of novels might get written. Maybe there will be a perfect storm for this VR stuff and the Eve genre is in the right place at the right time.

But yeah, it will certainly change. The MMO is becoming the anachronism, they all are. It's getting harder then ever to find anybody under 35 who plays them. I have a nephew in college and he qualifies to have his portrait as the definition for the word "gamer" in the dictionary. I asked him about MMORPG/MMO games a few weeks ago and he looked at me like I was making inside jokes based on Land of the Lost reruns.

(Yeah I'm old)

And again, since SP and ISK have become more "convertible" I don't think players who have much invested in the game thus far, noobs and bittervets alike, are going to be dumped in the evolution. Notice that having lots of SP is now meaningless. I used to boast about my 80 million SP now I would get told "80 mil dude you don't need that get some extractors". Having lots of SP meaningless means that having played the game for a long time is meaningless too. This is not a complaint, just stating the fact. It's no big deal in the end.

A good time was had by all.


Dude, Land of the Lost was baller. Slee-stacks omg, and that stupid t-rex that was always chasing them around.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#235 - 2016-12-12 18:14:14 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.



EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.

Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.

What?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#236 - 2016-12-12 18:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.



EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.

Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.

What?

2Sonas1Cup being an awful troll. P

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Dyllan Ybrex
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#237 - 2016-12-12 20:05:53 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.



EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.

Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.


Fear mongering to drive PLEX prices down? I like the cut of your jib! Twisted

> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
Kiaksar2142
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2016-12-12 20:49:13 UTC
Ahh relax! look from the brighter side!
even if it gets shut down, we will have a chance to create our personal lives!
look at me! I'm 25 years old. I dont have a girlfriend. Its cause my girlfriend is EVE xD
btw, Eve is nice name) i will name my daughter Eve (Evelyn)
as you can see, i'm already getting insane xD
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#239 - 2016-12-12 20:55:22 UTC
If EvE shuts down, I might run for office.

Think a platform based on HTFU will fly?

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#240 - 2016-12-12 21:35:08 UTC
i wish we can get some clarification on this

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!