EVE General Discussion

Hello everyone

I just logged in after a very long time and i am abit confused about the Α+Ω clones things.

Most importantly i can't seem to understand what their game play usefulness is for older players...
If i upgrade the account and train it to use CYNO, why won't i be able to use it after it goes back from Ω to A?

Eve is turning "free to play" and i am still required to have two paid accounts just so i can fly a capital properly? :S

Because Alphas only have access to a limited array of skills to prevent exactly what you are trying to do; have a free cyno alt.

Oh yeah... and you can't log in an Alpha and Omega account at the same time... so no free scouting for you either.


Alpha accounts are more of an "Indefinite Trial." Nothing more.


Also... you do know that you Capital ships can use stargates now... right? You do not require a cyno to get around.

Being "pointless" to an established player was one of the design points behind Alphas, yes.
Otherwise, you would have a situation where every player in the game would feel the need to have an Alpha account.

The point behind Alphas is to give actual new players a longer opportunity to "taste" EVE while also encouraging them to sign up for a subscription.


That said... even a small group of Alphas, when properly organized, has the potential to be quite lethal.


Sooooooo... why don't you stick to one account and organize with other, actual players to make your life easier?

I have done so. It can get a little tedious, but it gives me peace of mind.

They are not suppose to have any other benefits for the veteran players beyond just having a fall-back clone in case they are too cash strapped for the subscription or if they just want to try out the new-player experience.

What you are trying to achieve with a cyno alt using an alpha clone is precisely what CCP is trying to avoid in the first place. CCP made NO attempt at hiding that fact. It was clear from the very beginning (at least a month before the update was released) that veterans were not suppose to have this kind of advantage using alpha clones. Otherwise it would become a broken mechanic and balance issues would arise.

If you want a free cyno alt, tough luck buttercup.

No, you are not required to have two accounts to fly a capital properly. You can also make friends.

Alpha's are not intended to be useful for anyone. They are intended to allow players to experience EVE for the first time without commitment, and also to allow older players to return on a more casual basis if they want to.

It is not free2play

it is free2whine about paywalls

Capital ships are intended to be flown in fleets. Make friends if you don't want to pay for a second account. Why should you get a cyno alt for free?

Gonna let you in on a little secret OP. You don't actually need a cyno alt to use your capital.
Here's the trick. Make friends.... yeah I know it's weird in an mmo but hear me out. You make a friend who has a cyno alt and get them to light it for you. Shoot them some isk for their time and everything is golden or train to use cynos on your main and return the favor.

If making friends is too scary or hard for you. You can still use stargates. Or you can keep paying for your own alt... there are many options available to you.

You're telling me I can try a tiny little dab of all the different ice cream flavors in the shop, but I have to pony up some cash if I want to gorge myself into a diabetic coma on two triple-scoop waffle cones?

The hell kind of world are we living in...

Ok, i understand now that alphas are perma trial accounts, thank you :)



My experience tells me that while your logic is sound, in practice things are a bit different.
While i never flew a cap, i spend most of my time in a pvp corp that happened to have plenty of caps and a few supers. I rarely remember people asking for a cyno.
The reason is that most people who flew caps had second accounts anyway because back then carriers etc could not use gates.
Ironically, even if someone would ask for a cyno, chances are that it would be lit by an alt because the main would be busy anyway.

I only started considering caps after i started maxing out many of my roles related skills :P
I never liked the idea of having to depend on other actual players or that cyno means paying a full second subscription.