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Toobo
Project Fruit House
#21 - 2016-12-11 13:30:08 UTC
On the other hand, looking back on the KM, it's a SC Loki, I would be surprised if it did NOT have multiple faction disruptors/scrams.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Vigirr
#22 - 2016-12-11 13:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigirr
Rroff wrote:
Vigirr wrote:


- must use T2 cloak, not the prototype you had. Contrary to what people will tell you it's not enough



I always used to do it with the prototype cloak fine - BUT I was pretty much always fleeted up with my boosting alt that had the skirmish bonus for align time, etc. and all my characters fly with the 5% align bonus implant unless the slot is required for something relevant to capital ships so not sure if that changed the equation - people have told me in the past it shouldn't be possible even with but I was doing it frequently (if it wasn't working those hauler alts would have had a fair few loss mails :D )


It's not that it's not possible, it's more that it's only possible with really agile ships (either though ship type, fitting, implants or links) and leaves zero room for error. In fact many less agile ships will still have to gather speed after uncloaking before they can enter warp.

So it's more a case of me refuting people who state "it works for me with maxed out nav skills, optimised fitting and agile ships so that means I'll tell a newbie it'll work in his suboptimal situation as well".
Vigirr
#23 - 2016-12-11 13:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigirr
Toobo wrote:
On the other hand, looking back on the KM, it's a SC Loki, I would be surprised if it did NOT have multiple faction disruptors/scrams.


It didn't need them, the OP's ship & fit had a best align time of 10 seconds (and that assumes pulsing MWD which he probably didn't do), in reality his align was probably around the 13 second mark. Easily enough for a 720 loki to get 2 volleys on that hauler. It never stood a chance with that fit and low SP regardless of how many points the loki had.

OP states it took 3/4 shots, it doesn't. He either remembers it incorrectly or the UI played tricks on him.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-12-11 13:38:26 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


People get really confused when I tell 'em I run missions and DEDs. "But, aren't you a PVP'er?" Why yes, yes I am, and all my ships are fit for PVP, including the neut-fit Noctis I use to salvage missions and sites, because that Talwar that came to try to kill me the other day would have succeeded if it wasn't PVP fit. Instead, I killed him, and his pod, and finished salvaging and looting my site, in addition to his wreck.



Holy crap, now I'm jealous.
I asssembled a neut-noctis myself some time ago and did everything I could to bait mission runners into attacking me, but they just wouldn't do it...Evil

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#25 - 2016-12-11 13:46:37 UTC
Vigirr wrote:
Toobo wrote:
On the other hand, looking back on the KM, it's a SC Loki, I would be surprised if it did NOT have multiple faction disruptors/scrams.


It didn't need them, the OP's ship & fit had a best align time of 10 seconds (and that assumes pulsing MWD which he probably didn't do), in reality his align was probably around the 13 second mark. Easily enough for a 720 loki to get 2 volleys on that hauler. It never stood a chance with that fit and low SP regardless of how many points the loki had.

OP states it took 3/4 shots, it doesn't. He either remembers it incorrectly or the UI played tricks on him.


True, that's why I originally thought he got alphaed, because the KB does say 3,800 something damage done and he has 0 EM resist, and even if he didn't get alphaed he would have certainly died on the second volley, a bit hard to imagine he took 3~4 volleys with that fit, unless the Loki was shooting erm... T1 depleted uranium ammo or something, which is unlikely.

Having said that, whether needed or not, I still wouldn't bet against Shadow Cartel gate camping T3 having multiple faction points.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Asmodai Xodai
#26 - 2016-12-11 13:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
A few people have asked if I was bumped. Yes, I was rammed from behind, but that was well after I had taken a couple of shots, and well after I had been warp disrupted. The encounter started off with him a couple thousand meters from me. He disrupted me, webbed me, started shooting at me, then rammed me from behind. Then I exploded.

A few people doubt that I could have taken a few shots from that thing. I did, but I have no idea how or why. I vividly remember the incident, as it just happened a few hours ago. Who knows, maybe he has low gun tracking skills, or maybe he was turned the other way and his guns had to track all the way to my position and didn't hit me well the first couple of times (I don't know gun mechanics here - just grasping at straws)? What's my signature radius in a Bestower, anyway?

I wish the kill mails would show the fits people used so we could figure out what happened for sure. But yeah, probably a couple faction disruptors.

EDIT: Just an idea. Is it possible he had multiple different guns fitted (i.e. lower damage ones), and hit me with the heavy artillery as the kill shot? Barring that, can that thing carry drones? He could have very well been using them, and I could have not noticed that.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#27 - 2016-12-11 14:04:57 UTC
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#28 - 2016-12-11 14:08:41 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
A few people have asked if I was bumped. Yes, I was rammed from behind, but that was well after I had taken a couple of shots, and well after I had been warp disrupted. The encounter started off with him a couple thousand meters from me. He disrupted me, webbed me, started shooting at me, then rammed me from behind. Then I exploded.

A few people doubt that I could have taken a few shots from that thing. I did, but I have no idea how or why. I vividly remember the incident, as it just happened a few hours ago. Who knows, maybe he has low gun tracking skills, or maybe he was turned the other way and his guns had to track all the way to my position and didn't hit me well the first couple of times (I don't know gun mechanics here - just grasping at straws)? What's my signature radius in a Bestower, anyway?

I wish the kill mails would show the fits people used so we could figure out what happened for sure. But yeah, probably a couple faction disruptors.


That's not how gun tracking works in EVE AFAIK, the direction he is facing is irrelevant to what he's shooting at. Having said that, well, for whatever the reason it is possible that he didn't get good shot on you, or was loaded with fusion ammo, for which you had some default explosive resist from shield, etc, so many possibilities.

You know what though - sometimes it doesn't hurt to eve mail your ganker and ask them how they've done it or what happened. Many of them will happily explain to you if you ask nicely and are open about the fact that you are new to the game and wants to find out. Not just for this particular kill, but since you are new there will be various other losses in future probably where you get curious about how the other player pulled it off.

That's how I learned about very basics of PVP when I first started. I convoed or eve mailed the ganker and asked about how they've done it, if it wasn't something obvious that I could figure out myself.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#29 - 2016-12-11 14:36:22 UTC
Maybe he's split his guns into 2 groups?

Scipio Artelius wrote:
[quote=Toobo]@OP: An alternate route into OMS from Villore is:

Allamotte -> Vifrevaert (lowsec) -> Ladistier -> Old Man Star

Only a couple of extra jumps, but never camped and easy to slip into OMS that way.


Maybe somebody will see this and camp there Pirate
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#30 - 2016-12-11 21:56:07 UTC
@OP: Have you sent an evemail to your attacker and asked how it happened and what you might be able to do to avoid it again?

A lot of pvpers are more than happy to help people out that aren't salty about a loss. You're attitude seems great, so I'd suggest sending a friendly evemail and seeing what explanation comes back.

That might answer your question and give you a lot of other useful advice.
Antheria
VVV Enterprises
#31 - 2016-12-12 00:26:14 UTC
As has already been suggested, mail the guy who got you & ask him where you went wrong.

If you are polite & respectful (which you look to be) you will most likely get a detailed answer & quite possibly some suggestions to counter whatever tactic he used.

I've been blown up far too many times & always ask for info from my attacker(s). In the main, I have always gotten a response & learnt to fight another day armed with that extra knowledge.

My compliments on your mature attitude.
Wanda Fayne
#32 - 2016-12-12 00:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Wanda Fayne
It IS possible that they fit an officer Heavy Warp Scrambler. With 3 reactor controls and ACR rigs, you can fit a 720 arti Loki.
I know someone in Jita regularly uses one of those scrams on their Mac.

[Loki, Quick Fit]
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Mizuro's Modified Heavy Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

edit:
one more OP T3 argument for Baltec1Blink

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

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Asmodai Xodai
#33 - 2016-12-12 01:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
Antheria wrote:
As has already been suggested, mail the guy who got you & ask him where you went wrong.


Done.

EDIT: Was more interested in how he managed to warp-disrupt me vs. where I went wrong... although I'm always open to tips on improving my gameplay.
Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
#34 - 2016-12-12 08:20:24 UTC
Wanda Fayne wrote:
It IS possible that they fit an officer Heavy Warp Scrambler. With 3 reactor controls and ACR rigs, you can fit a 720 arti Loki.
I know someone in Jita regularly uses one of those scrams on their Mac.

[Loki, Quick Fit]
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Mizuro's Modified Heavy Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

edit:
one more OP T3 argument for Baltec1Blink



Would that be good enough to catch out people with no prop mod to get in range of the scram? I believe the range is only like 12km for the scram? If you were going to spend the amount of money on that fit as you already are, you could pimp your PG out with implants and two TS RCUs to free up a spot for a signal amp. Dropping one of the SEBOs and replacing the other with a FNSEBO would free up a slot for a prop mod, although your scan res WOULD still take a small hit. You'd be looking at about a 1.3s lock on a BS instead of 1.0s lock. Slightly worse lock time, but I don't know that the difference between lock times (3.3s vs 2.9s on pods) is going to be worth the the fact that you can't close the gap on a target very fast to get into scram range. Without a prop mod you are going 238m/s with max skills, with the Gistum A-Type 50mn MWD, you are like 7x faster.




[Loki, Gank]

True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Syndicate Signal Amplifier
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Gistum A-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Mizuro's Modified Heavy Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
2Sonas1Cup
#35 - 2016-12-12 08:55:17 UTC
Are you sure you were scrambled??
I think you were just insta popped before you got to warp.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#36 - 2016-12-12 14:00:48 UTC
Two things:

1: Let me reinforce the point that you should always ask your aggressor such questions. We're often willing to answer.

2. With your attitude, you will go far in EvE. Mad props for not whining and genuinely wanting to learn game mechanics.

Good hunting.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Wallstreet J0urnal
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-12-12 14:37:08 UTC
I call hacks.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-12-13 00:44:01 UTC
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Thunderdome
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#39 - 2016-12-13 03:50:34 UTC
Bemo wrote:
Also if he had 2x of the dread/fed navy ect.... warp scrams they are 3 points each.


Edit: Ya know you could just pm the guy and ask also. People are usually nice if you ask questions after a kill in a non rage induced manner :)

Ganker here, can confirm. Anyone who has sent me a at least somewhat rational evemail that didn't include a suicide threat or profanity laced diatribe got my full fit and recommendations on 1) how they could fit to beat my camp 100% of the time, how to fit to beat any camp 100% of the time, and how I fit when I move stuff.

It's just common ganker decency. We're people. Not animals. Pirate

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Iain Cariaba
#40 - 2016-12-13 05:32:12 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Bemo wrote:
Also if he had 2x of the dread/fed navy ect.... warp scrams they are 3 points each.


Edit: Ya know you could just pm the guy and ask also. People are usually nice if you ask questions after a kill in a non rage induced manner :)

Ganker here, can confirm. Anyone who has sent me a at least somewhat rational evemail that didn't include a suicide threat or profanity laced diatribe got my full fit and recommendations on 1) how they could fit to beat my camp 100% of the time, how to fit to beat any camp 100% of the time, and how I fit when I move stuff.

It's just common ganker decency. We're people. Not animals. Pirate

It's how I learned to avoid being ganked. I asked the people who ganked me how they did it, and how I could avoid it.

You'd be amazed how a calm, rational response gets results. Big smile
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