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Concerning the Excavator adjustment and a posseble solution (edited)
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Pah Triac
Triac Family Logistic Holdings
#1 - 2016-12-11 17:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pah Triac
Beware of typo's ;)
tweaked the idea a bit

With the upcomming change to the excavator drones more people are beeing affected then you probably intend to do so and i mean especialy the smaller mining corporations without the big defencive backup

Hence forth a posseble alternative solution:
In my humble opinion i think that the problem lies not in the fact that the drones are beeing too over powered
it lies in the fact that the risk/reward rule is beeing ignored by a defence force that let people cluster togeater
in 1 belt/site with a abundance or Rorquals with the industrial core active without the propper risk to compensate for this amount of mining.

So i propose:
Instead of the 32% cut in mining i sought the solution in the very discription of the ship it self.

Quote:
This combination of elements makes the Rorqual the ideal nexus to build deep space mining operations around.


If the nexus of a mining fleet is 1 ship that controls all the needs of a mining fleet you should make it do so.
if you use the industrial core of a rorqual it should become the nexus of a mining fleet in that site/belt
and other rorquals within say 50-60 km of the "nexus" should not be able to use the industrial core.
As well the mining bonus from the industrial core should be replaced by a charge that is activated by the IC it self
(like the command bonus system)

with this the drones would not have to be cut and the smaller corporations will not be affected too much wilst the bigger alliances will have to
either scatter and prolly even have to use the "regular" asteroid belts that are beeing under appriciated so much or use 1 ofthe 2 charges

to compensate for this i propose 2 mining boost charges that can be used on the industial core that will give the rorqual the
choice of helping out other rorqual pilots that are inside the AoE of the nexus rorqual

Compression relay system:
This will use the complete system used for controlling the excavator drones and uses it to relay the ability to compres raw ores
Rorquals within the specified area can now use the ore compression.

Mining drone enhancemend relay:
This will reroute the complete system used for controlling the excavator drones and transmit a field that gives a % to other
rorquals within the specified area (this % could be adjusted instead of the excavator)

with kind regards

Pah Triac
Cade Windstalker
#2 - 2016-12-11 21:33:34 UTC
This is worse than CCP's idea for a couple of reasons.

First off, you're not actually fixing the problem. Large corps and alliances will have zero issue spreading their Rorquals out. A single Rorqual will deplete a belt fairly quickly anyways, so it's actually more efficient to do it this way, not less.

Second, you're not really fixing the whole risk/reward mechanic here either. The reward is still sky high per Rorqual, and it's going to continue having the same destabilizing impact CCP are clearly trying to nip in the bud.

In short, while I'm sure this sucks for your corp, it's a needed change and you're still ending up with something that's going to be a massively effective mining and support platform compared to what you had access to a month ago.
Pah Triac
Triac Family Logistic Holdings
#3 - 2016-12-12 05:20:11 UTC
Thank you for your reaction but i would like to underbuild my idea to you concerns

1st of all the yield cut will still be there if you read the whole thing just not on the Excav's them self but on the relay charge from the nexus rorq. ( found a explanation error in my idea Thanks)

2nd my thougt came part from how to wolf packs hunt they separate a single one and then hunt it down wile it has no help from the group it was in. increasing the risk/reward rule

3rd every rorqual need to lose a highs slot for the cynosural

4rth the spread is more severe then you think The regular belt are not as good for mining as the sites are and say you have only 5-10 regular belts then you have 3-5 mining sites (can vary per system) then means only 10-15 rorq's can go in nexus mode and spread out over each system.
Cade Windstalker
#4 - 2016-12-12 14:59:55 UTC
Unless I'm missing something with your revised explanation you're not nerfing the output of an individual Rorqual you're saying they can't all siege next to each other and then giving the one sieged one the option to buff the base yield of the others. This assumes that the majority of Rorqual mining is in large groups and will continue to be in large groups, which seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Plus a solo rorqual is actually easier for a large group to respond to and defend compared to a smaller group that may only have a few Rorquals to begin with, so this will impact smaller groups both more than the 32% nerf CCP is going forward with and more than it will impact large groups.

Lastly a Rorqual isn't really losing much by having to fit a Cyno, most will fit one anyway as a precaution, and there's nothing stopping one from just dropping a Mobile Depot and swapping out a high for a Cyno when attacked. There's nothing that a Rorqual throws in its highs that it absolutely has to have when mining.

You're also not really fixing the base issue here which is pretty clearly the amount of minerals Rorquals are injecting into the economy at present. That's only going to be fixed by a base yield adjustment.
Pah Triac
Triac Family Logistic Holdings
#5 - 2016-12-12 23:54:11 UTC
ok my biggest issue with the cut is that people that are not using the bonus and do not bring in that motherload of ore are beeing punished for something that they cannot be blaimed for.

if you remove the mining drone yield bonus rorq's would get wile in deployed mode and use an mining bonus charge effect that can be made less/adjusted then the current static bonus wile in deployed mode i would say that would resolve this issue i have with the cut.
Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2016-12-13 01:19:40 UTC
Pah Triac wrote:
ok my biggest issue with the cut is that people that are not using the bonus and do not bring in that motherload of ore are beeing punished for something that they cannot be blaimed for.

if you remove the mining drone yield bonus rorq's would get wile in deployed mode and use an mining bonus charge effect that can be made less/adjusted then the current static bonus wile in deployed mode i would say that would resolve this issue i have with the cut.


Which is a fair request and something that should probably go in the feedback thread for that topic, preferably about 2 weeks and 10 pages ago before it devolved into a ****-show.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#7 - 2016-12-13 01:48:01 UTC
Except the whole thing was just a fix for them forgetting about mining rigs. So even out of industrial mode, you are getting the ore they expect you to post nerf.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-12-13 02:04:35 UTC
CCP should rename this forum to the "Forum of **** Ideas"

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#9 - 2016-12-13 15:45:13 UTC
if CCP wanted to fix the rorqual, the easiest solution was to just set the Ore nnomaly belts on a 4 hour respawn timer like icebelts have. This way you can't hover up a belt every hour anymore unless you're prepared to move.

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