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Drilling Platforms major pushed back why CCP???

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Samantha Udan
Rubicon Mining and Manufacturing
#1 - 2016-12-11 15:05:52 UTC
So on the Eve updates site the release of the drilling platforms was listed as winter 2016. It now says the release date is Fall of 2017. Why has it been pushed back for almost a year??
Izchadie
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Ore No More
#2 - 2016-12-11 15:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Izchadie
I suspect they will reveal their plan at Fanfest 2017. If the drilling platforms have been pushed back, can't imagine what will happen to the other structures, stargates in particular. I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2016-12-11 15:11:23 UTC
Not a single mention of digging for answers.
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#4 - 2016-12-11 15:14:22 UTC
Izchadie wrote:
...I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE.
1 year of nothing but newbro experience?

\o/
Izchadie
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#5 - 2016-12-11 15:24:14 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Izchadie wrote:
...I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE.
1 year of nothing but newbro experience?

\o/


Well we get some small features occasionally...like that anti-bomb defender missile thing. The rest is improved NPE and some skins, instead of the drilling platforms. So we are looking at small features, as opposed to huge ones.

Either way CCP has planned something big that will need the developing time for the structures, or they will keep on going with lots of small improvements.
Prince Kobol
#6 - 2016-12-11 15:43:17 UTC
Better to delay and make sure new players get a better experience then release something that isn't working right
Scipio Artelius
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Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2016-12-11 15:58:18 UTC
The updates site says 2017, not Fall 2017.

I doubt it will be fall. Much more likely to be Spring, right after Fanfest in April.
Moksa Elodie
Hijo de la Luna
#8 - 2016-12-11 16:14:15 UTC
Actually it does say under 2017 Upcoming fall
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-12-11 16:14:49 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
The updates site says 2017, not Fall 2017.

I doubt it will be fall. Much more likely to be Spring, right after Fanfest in April.


It's on the little "Upcoming Fall" section of the linear calendar at the bottom.

I would speculate that overhauling moon mining and reactions will take a bit of time. Those are pretty ancient systems, the core mechanics of which have pretty much never seen a significant update.

Reactions, particularly - the whole concept of chaining structures together doesn't really make a lot of sense under the new structure model. There's likely a lot more work here than just having the art department whip up some models and stuffing some new service modules into the database.

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#10 - 2016-12-11 16:23:27 UTC
I do not fully understand what CCP intend to do with drilling platforms, but considering how big the Rorqual changes have been on the 'resource harvesting' side of the game balance, I think it's better for CCP to think long and hard about any other changes that's got to do with 'resource harvesting', in any forms.

Many things have crashed in price at serious level. Not all of them are related, but in terms of timing we are seeing crashes in different tier of materials are the same time (unfortunately). Minerals are very cheap now, and T3 and nanoribbons have been crashing so bad this year (obviously they are not related, but just mentioning them together as we are witnessing them at the same time).

If CCP implements drilling platforms or do any tweaks on moon mining or whatever other things that could lead to drop in price for materials used for T2, deliberately or by accident, we'd have an unprecedented case of T1, T2 and T3 materials all crashing at same time, dramatically.

We used to talk about 'baloon effects' where drop in low end minerals (such as Tritnanium) gets somewhat balanced by increase in price for higher end minerals or vice versa. But now everything's falling flat on the face. And the T3 products prices? I've never seen them so low since Apocrypha introduced them for the first time. If something happens in the resource harvesting balance that could result in drop in material prices for T2, we end up with everything,from T1 to T3, being cheaper, over produced, with over supply of materials at super cheap price, meaning production cost are not likely to rise for forseeable time, and no real increase in demand either.

EVE has always 'over produced' stuff to some extent, but seriously, I feel that many things are going totally off balance now. I just don't see the level of increased demand that could bring up the prices again, and I don't see any planned changes that would reduce the supply of stuff in future. I worry that we end up with over supply of stuff with no real demand to match, and people who's buying up stuff now thinking 'wow they cheap now and I think the price will shoot up' will end up waiting very long time until they see actual profit on their investment. People talk about spending a lot of ISK these days to buy up many different things being sold for cheap, and yeah, maybe prices on these things will go up again, but not any time soon.

I think many people have already over invested because prices on some stuff got too cheap and it was too tempting to buy up, and they are now low on liquidity, lower than they have been used to, and lower than they are comfortable with. Sooner or later, these people will want to liquidate what they bought over past few months, but will find that the prices have not gone up as they expected. Then we shall have these bought up stock flooding the market again as people feel the pressure of being low on ISK and want to sell to get some ISK, and that will suppress the prices even further.

I don't know - this is just my personal reading of the EVE market at the moment. There may be other technical reasons why CCP is delaying the drilling platforms, but economicaly, I'm very glad that they are delaying it. I don't think the market can absorb another major shock at this stage. Whether this is what CCP intended or not, this is a good news for the market IMHO.

Obviously there will be enough number of players who profit from the recent changes and the future market fluctuations, but I bet many people will end up with less ISK and more stuff (valued less) than they wanted.

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#11 - 2016-12-11 16:35:34 UTC
TigerXtrm
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Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2016-12-11 17:15:57 UTC
Fall seems extremely far away for both this feature and for CCP to plan ahead. I don't think I've ever seen them place updates on the update site more than 2 or 3 months ahead, so I'm going to call this an error on someone's part (hopefully).

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#13 - 2016-12-11 17:46:04 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Fall seems extremely far away for both this feature and for CCP to plan ahead. I don't think I've ever seen them place updates on the update site more than 2 or 3 months ahead, so I'm going to call this an error on someone's part (hopefully).

*cough* 18 months *cough*

In seriousness, whatever drilling platforms end up being (which still has NOT been announced in any way afaik,) they either better be cool enough with broad appeal to justify another *18 months* situation, or they better be minor enough to be worth procrastinating until the good stuff is done in the mean time.

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Samantha Udan
Rubicon Mining and Manufacturing
#14 - 2016-12-11 20:03:45 UTC
I can see them wanting to be careful but pushing it that far back is nuts. I get there maybe parts like moon mining that might needs to be held back but I still think they should roll it out then slowly add feature parts to it to make sure they don't screw the market.

Prime example is the Rorq changes is how not to do one mass feature change. The fact they are now going back after it with a large nerf shows they were way off on their numbers,
Kosomot
Player Vs Ore
Miners Of Independence
#15 - 2016-12-11 21:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kosomot
Changing the Timeline for Drilling could be as simple as ...

In the spring (at Fanfest), talk about drilling platforms the way CCP thinks about it

breath deeply.

observe and listen to reactions from the community and considerations brought about regarding items CCP didn't consider.

Modifications made to original design, with updates brought out to us in a series of youtube videos with lots of love from CCP Seagull.

Late Summer // Early Fall Launch.

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this combined with the NPE evolving, the new Player growth model evolving since this is really just the 1st in a series of launches to this new alpha // omega program.

I personally am ok with sometime major taking a good amount of time and working out well vs, rushing something to market and it sucking.

I'm super happy with Citadels and Engineering Complex's, as they seem well thought out, and there seems to be a real plan in motion with them

Just my .02 isk

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Akrasjel Lanate
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#16 - 2016-12-11 22:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Hmmmm

Maybe a mistake... should say winter or Q1

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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#17 - 2016-12-11 22:58:19 UTC
Hmm... Ninja timetable change from CCP... How original.

Seriously it would be nice to see official announcements if timetable is changed much for expected features. Changing timetable from winter to fall next year makes something like 9 month delay.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#18 - 2016-12-11 23:32:48 UTC
Wanda Fayne
#19 - 2016-12-11 23:47:37 UTC
Toobo wrote:


Not enough stuff blowing up

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Aegon the Dragonbane
War Were Declared
#20 - 2016-12-12 07:39:33 UTC
So like -- will this replace mining ships for something like PI in asteroid belts?
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