EVE General Discussion

If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.

I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.

The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?

As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.

Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"

Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.

They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.

I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".

They will think we were crazy.


What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.

But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.

The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.

But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else.
So can ISK.
So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!".

Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.

It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game.

I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around.

Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.

Blizzard sucks. I've never understood the success of wow. The game was an everquest clone. EQ had similar quests, EQ had similar raids, EQ had similar group style. Actually EQ2 is far superior than WoW.

Actually diablo 3 also sucked but people play it by pure fanboyism.

If blizzard buy eve, they do not need to change anything in the game. Blizzard fanboys would simply start playing eve by pure fanboyism.

considering EVE and WoW are 2 long running games

i'd bet activision has all its staff currently looking into how to get in on it.

i don't know if that scares me or not.....

EVE is already a commercial success. It doesn't need the same numbers WOW got to be that. People are quick to forget that EVE is a good year older than WOW as well. I realise that a lot of people think that if a lot of people like something, it must be good, but that's simply not true. A lot of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, too. Popularity =/= quality. The problem is, the vast majority of people are actually just blind to what quality is. They're very simple. You can hand them a hotdog, tell em it's a gourmet meal, and they'll believe it. Then you take em to a gourmet restaurant, and they'll wonder why hotdogs aren't on the menu.