EVE General Discussion

Well, to make easy to understand comparisons, think of it like a professional football team in one of the major European leagues. Many of them have changed ownership in past decades, with very mixed results. Some teams have benefited greatly
where the new owner has thrown in vast amount of money to make the team/infrastructure better, which has benefited the team's quality/performance in the league while also attracting more fans world wide.

At the same time, some teams weren't managed not so well, running into dept problems and bad managements and lack of real investment to strengthen the club's infrastructures, etc.

The bottom line is, you cannot 'judge' the future of the team (or EVE, in our case) only based on the fact that it will change ownership/will be bought by new investors, etc, unless you KNOW who the new owner will be and what he/she/they intend to do with it with what goals in mind.

At this point, even if whatever is said in the linked article is true, we have absolutely no basis to make any predictions on what impacts it will have on the game, because it is specifically mentioned clearly we do not know who the new 'owner' will be and thus we do not know what they intend to do with EVE/CCP.

It all depends on what the new owner/potential buyer intends to do with their newly acquired asset, and without knowing this everything is just gossip & speculation. If we knew the company/entity who intends to buy EVE/CCP, then yeah, maybe we can say a few things based on their past acquisition & follow up action trends. But we don't even know that yet, so what can we say? For all we know, the prospective buyer could be a huge fan of EVE who's sick of how things are being done now and wants to invest billions to make the game better - lol unlikely but the fact is we don't know. This would be completely different case from someone who wants to buy CCP and sell off its main assets & make the most profit as possible in quickest possible way.

tl;dr - companies get bought & sold all the time. Just the fact that ownership may change hands doesn't say anything, and without knowing who buys into it and what he/she/they intend to do with it, we have absolutely no basis to make any predictions or judgement on the case.

Just when i decided to extract my battleship skills and inject them as frigate skills in order to beggin a new life in nullsec, came this news.
Now i feel like there is no future for this game, and i don't feel like wasting my time with something that shortly might not even exist or be like WoT or any other kids game.

Please say something CCP !

If EvE is really for sale, the absolute last people you will hear bout it from are the devs.

1. They won't know about it until it's a done deal, and
2. when they do know about it, they won't be allowed to talk about it.

Asset stripping?

We are left in a dark room with our fears.

Halp!

If CCP is sold, then it will be a case of, 'watch what they (the new owners) do' not what they say.

If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.

I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.

The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?

As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.

Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"

Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.

They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.

I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".

They will think we were crazy.


What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.

But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.

The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.

But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else.
So can ISK.
So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!".

You're just wrong about that. There's extremely little about EvE's technology stack that is interesting in and of itself. If you mean database infrastructure as in the actual hardware . . . ummm no one buys a company for hardware. If you mean that there's something interesting or novel about the data model itself, you're also wrong. I'm not saying it's boring or that a lot of effort wasn't put into it. But the EvE devs haven't re-envisioned the data storage model itself in the way that, say, google did with big table or something along those lines.

The one thing that EvE devs have done that's interesting and novel is get the Python language to perform extremely well. The devs who work on EvE are probably some of the best in the world at getting this one particular language to perform at its best and to also do so with a reasonable concurrency model. They are also big contributors to the pypy implementation of the language as opposed to the CPython version.

No investor cares that much about a programming language, and certainly not a games investor. Games are mostly written in very different languages with lower-level abstractions and code that is closer to the metal.

There is a case to be made for buying the intellectual property itself. But it has nothing to do with the technology.

DAoC was rescued?

Oh man the memories. Towards the end of my time there I had some bull-head minotaur dude named "People Fighter". I was set up for brutal close range DPS. Entire gangs of casters would run from me. That was over 10 years ago.


In all honesty, seeing Eve change hands is only going to be an excuse to break out some good popcorn in the event that the new owners are against ganking, griefing, and scamming. I don't think getting rid of those things would save the day any more than keeping them has prolonged it. But the tears of the HTFU crowd would be one last final good drink before the lights go out.

If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold