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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#21 - 2016-12-10 07:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Myriad Blaze
Solonius Rex wrote:
Arkonor is only found in nullsec. Are you planning to join a nullsec corp?

He already is in a nullsec corp.

They currently operate in a dead end constellation in Wicked Creek. The alliance is rather small and has its focus on PvP. The corp is a feeder corp for that alliance.

If you check his background you'll find several warning triggers. Nothing which definitely says this is a scam, but more than enough (at least for me) to stay away from this.

In addition to what RAW already said:

  • The character joined the corp within 2 hours of his creation. While not impossible, it's not likely for someone new to EVE to join a nullsec corp this fast. It's an indication that this might be an alt.

  • The killboard shows, that the OP joined in the PvP activities of the corp/alliance, which is great, but which makes his claim about his intend to mine less believable.

  • The OP claimed, that he has a mysterious someone who pays 95% Jita for his Arkonor. I'm still a bit out of touch after my long break, but this seems to be quite generous.

  • The OP claimed, that he has a safe space to mine. The corp killboard proves that this is not true.

  • The OP claimed that it will take 1 or 2 months for him to get a credit card. With regard to individual issues this might be true. However, a standard application should take 14 days or so, to receive the card.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-12-10 11:46:56 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
Arkonor is only found in nullsec. Are you planning to join a nullsec corp?

He already is in a nullsec corp.

They currently operate in a dead end constellation in Wicked Creek. The alliance is rather small and has its focus on PvP. The corp is a feeder corp for that alliance.

If you check his background you'll find several warning triggers. Nothing which definitely says this is a scam, but more than enough (at least for me) to stay away from this.

In addition to what RAW already said:

  • The character joined the corp within 2 hours of his creation. While not impossible, it's not likely for someone new to EVE to join a nullsec corp this fast. It's an indication that this might be an alt.

  • The killboard shows, that the OP joined in the PvP activities of the corp/alliance, which is great, but which makes his claim about his intend to mine less believable.

  • The OP claimed, that he has a mysterious someone who pays 95% Jita for his Arkonor. I'm still a bit out of touch after my long break, but this seems to be quite generous.

  • The OP claimed, that he has a safe space to mine. The corp killboard proves that this is not true.

  • The OP claimed that it will take 1 or 2 months for him to get a credit card. With regard to individual issues this might be true. However, a standard application should take 14 days or so, to receive the card.


Oh, okay. I did not do a backround check as i had no intention of filling the loan. But the word "Academy" seems as though it might welcome new players.
Aziel Thanatos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-12-10 21:35:13 UTC


Whoa, a lot of replies.




@RAW23



Money isn't the issue. I don't have a credit card so I cannot do any online shopping and if everything goes to plan I might get my credit card at the end of December or the first 2 weeks of January. Guess working with cash only nipped me in the ass here. Anyways I'll take your advice and buy a few PLEX or a 6-month membership when my credit card finally arrives.



@Dethmourne Silvermane


If I do decide to do a bit of mining I think I'll get a movement module. Thank for the advice.




@MyriadBlaze


1. I am new and joined so fast because they recruited in the starting area. They interviewed me over TS and decided I could join their Academy where I would undergo a trial period and then they'll decide on a later date if I'm the type of player they want in their corp.


2. The corporation certainly encouraged me to take part in their PVP activities however I'm absolutely trash at the moment. I'm certainly trying to take part but somehow, I always lag behind because I can't warp with them fast enough or I always warp in the wrong way and die. If you'll notice I died more times than I care to remember and happen to have 1 kill which in my
opinion was pure luck since his attention was on another teammate and not on myself.


3. Yes. he is indeed generous but I don't know if it's a special rate for the people of the Alliance.


4. I determined it to be safe because I noticed there are time periods when it's relatively quiet within certain systems and I would assume it would be either working hours for them, late in the evening, or early morning. Either way, there is almost no PVP activity during those time periods. The only threat I would possibly have to be worried about is the PVE bots. I would also like to mention that you are correct in that there has been a large presence of PVP players recently but once again rarely and I do mean rarely have they entered the system I was planning to mine in.


5. Yes, indeed it sounds ******* crazy that it should take that long. There are a few reasons why I estimated a time period of 2 months but it would most like take up to a month IF nothing goes wrong. Since it's my first bank account I would need to go through an affordability assessment and I need other documentation that will take time to prepare. I need a proof of income for 3 consecutive months and with my employer it will take a couple of days maybe even a couple of weeks. I need proof of residence that I'll have to get from my landlord. This entails getting the utility bill that goes to my landlord and not myself so I'm waiting on a copy of that. I'm living in South Africa and if I'm not mistaken the bank would most likely be using our national postal service that has a terrible and I do mean terrible service. They are known for taking a long period for mail delivery,
losing your mail, or being on strike. 2 months may be an overestimate but I've been taught it's better to overestimate than to underestimate.


@Solonius Rex

You would be correct in assuming it's for newbies.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#24 - 2016-12-11 08:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Myriad Blaze
A well written explanation.

I'm inclined to believe you, especially considering that your known online times match someone playing from South Africa. (I didn't mention this earlier, but I also checked your reported online times.)

This means that you are indeed new to game.
Being new to the game means, that there are many things you don't know about the game, many things you haven't tried yet, many things you have yet to experience (actually there are many things I still have to experience, too P).

Allow me to make some further remarks about your business plan and give some suggestions.

Your plan is to mine Arkonor for 168 hours, 6 hours a day. That's 28 days of mining. If you check your corp killboard you'll notice 2 Ventures, who were caught mining in the last 4 weeks. A Venture is much more agile and faster to escape than a Retriever. But even if you are always on guard (for 6 hours a day while staring at a rock), pre aligned to your station, monitoring the intel channels, the least thing that will happen is that your mining will be interrupted. And what would you do, if some reds decide to put a cloaky camper in your system?

Also there is the question whether there is enough ore to fill a 6 hour quota of Arkonor in the first place. I'm not a miner, but I do know, that ore quantities are limited. Looking again at those Venture killmails you'll see that one was mining Gneiss and the other mined Scordite besides Arkonor. At least this is something you need to consider.

Furthermore you are entirely depended on the person giving you 95% Jita for your Arkonor. If for some reason he decides to stop buying Arkonor from you, you would need a new customer or a viable plan to move your ore to a market (which involves new skills and new dangers, of course).

If you are adamant about mining, here's a link to a website you should know:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Now for the alternatives.

You already mentioned exploration. Instead of explaining what you need and such, I'll give the link to Wingspan's guide to exploration:
http://www.toptiertactics.com/21341/eve-online-exploration-guide-billions-and-billions-of-isk/

That guy is a very well know and very successful explorer. At the very least you should read the guide before making a final decision about your future in EVE. I should note, that some of the skills learned in exploration (scanning skills) are also good in some aspects of PvP.

In the long run there's also PvE combat. At the moment your skills aren't sufficient to do this successfully in nullsec while being solo. But the skills needed for this are the same (actually less) than what you need to train for PvP anyway. What you could do for now is offer looting/salvaging services for ratters in your corp (salvaging needs a special skill, though, but it's one that I think is worth having). Talk to your corp leader about this, if you're interested.

Some final words about your PvP experience.

I think it's great that your corp encourages you to take part in their PvP activities. I'd suggest to use every opportunity to fly with them. It helps to make friends (obligatory remark about the best ship in EVE here Blink) and usually it's fun. It's great to gain experience. Sure, you will explode a lot for now. But it's only in cheap vessels. In the future you will explode in ships worth several times more than all your current losses combined. And hopefully you have learned enough to keep your killboard green nonetheless. And don't underestimate the value that you can bring. For now it will be mostly tackle and web and a little damage. But sometimes that's what makes the difference between a win and a defeat.
Careby
#25 - 2016-12-11 11:44:37 UTC
Aziel Thanatos wrote:
...Money isn't the issue. I don't have a credit card so I cannot do any online shopping and if everything goes to plan I might get my credit card at the end of December or the first 2 weeks of January. Guess working with cash only nipped me in the ass here. Anyways I'll take your advice and buy a few PLEX or a 6-month membership when my credit card finally arrives...


At the risk of straying off the thread topic, have you considered a prepaid credit card? Where I live, I can walk into a grocery store with cash and walk out with a prepaid Visa card.
Aziel Thanatos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-12-11 13:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Aziel Thanatos
Myriad Blaze wrote:
A well written explanation.

I'm inclined to believe you, especially considering that your known online times match someone playing from South Africa. (I didn't mention this earlier, but I also checked your reported online times.)

This means that you are indeed new to game.
Being new to the game means, that there are many things you don't know about the game, many things you haven't tried yet, many things you have yet to experience (actually there are many things I still have to experience, too P).

Allow me to make some further remarks about your business plan and give some suggestions.

Your plan is to mine Arkonor for 168 hours, 6 hours a day. That's 28 days of mining. If you check your corp killboard you'll notice 2 Ventures, who were caught mining in the last 4 weeks. A Venture is much more agile and faster to escape than a Retriever. But even if you are always on guard (for 6 hours a day while staring at a rock), pre aligned to your station, monitoring the intel channels, the least thing that will happen is that your mining will be interrupted. And what would you do, if some reds decide to put a cloaky camper in your system?

Also there is the question whether there is enough ore to fill a 6 hour quota of Arkonor in the first place. I'm not a miner, but I do know, that ore quantities are limited. Looking again at those Venture killmails you'll see that one was mining Gneiss and the other mined Scordite besides Arkonor. At least this is something you need to consider.

Furthermore you are entirely depended on the person giving you 95% Jita for your Arkonor. If for some reason he decides to stop buying Arkonor from you, you would need a new customer or a viable plan to move your ore to a market (which involves new skills and new dangers, of course).

If you are adamant about mining, here's a link to a website you should know:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Now for the alternatives.

You already mentioned exploration. Instead of explaining what you need and such, I'll give the link to Wingspan's guide to exploration:
http://www.toptiertactics.com/21341/eve-online-exploration-guide-billions-and-billions-of-isk/

That guy is a very well know and very successful explorer. At the very least you should read the guide before making a final decision about your future in EVE. I should note, that some of the skills learned in exploration (scanning skills) are also good in some aspects of PvP.

In the long run there's also PvE combat. At the moment your skills aren't sufficient to do this successfully in nullsec while being solo. But the skills needed for this are the same (actually less) than what you need to train for PvP anyway. What you could do for now is offer looting/salvaging services for ratters in your corp (salvaging needs a special skill, though, but it's one that I think is worth having). Talk to your corp leader about this, if you're interested.

Some final words about your PvP experience.

I think it's great that your corp encourages you to take part in their PvP activities. I'd suggest to use every opportunity to fly with them. It helps to make friends (obligatory remark about the best ship in EVE here Blink) and usually it's fun. It's great to gain experience. Sure, you will explode a lot for now. But it's only in cheap vessels. In the future you will explode in ships worth several times more than all your current losses combined. And hopefully you have learned enough to keep your killboard green nonetheless. And don't underestimate the value that you can bring. For now it will be mostly tackle and web and a little damage. But sometimes that's what makes the difference between a win and a defeat.


Will take it to heart. Thank you for the advice.
Aziel Thanatos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-12-11 13:42:08 UTC
Careby wrote:
Aziel Thanatos wrote:
...Money isn't the issue. I don't have a credit card so I cannot do any online shopping and if everything goes to plan I might get my credit card at the end of December or the first 2 weeks of January. Guess working with cash only nipped me in the ass here. Anyways I'll take your advice and buy a few PLEX or a 6-month membership when my credit card finally arrives...


At the risk of straying off the thread topic, have you considered a prepaid credit card? Where I live, I can walk into a grocery store with cash and walk out with a prepaid Visa card.



Pretty sure the process would remain the same. However, I will still take a look at it. Thanks.
Dethmourne Silvermane
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#28 - 2016-12-12 23:38:09 UTC
FWIW I did not end up lending this fellow any ISK.

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