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How safe are engineering complexes in high sec?
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ENFEMUS MOTION
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2016-12-10 17:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ENFEMUS MOTION
I've been curious about engineering complexes but I'm not going to invest in one if it's not somewhat safe to have in high sec. I looked through kill mails and saw several of the medium one getting killed, but they had very little offensive capability. I haven't seen any of the large ones destroyed in high sec, but even the ones in low sec aren't really mounting defenses. Is there a reason for this? Is there just not a good set up so everyone is instead defending with their own fleets rather than waste money on a few items?

I've also notced the large one hasn't been killed in high sec yet...are the fighters enough of a deterrent? I figured there were just fewer of them since they're more expensive.
Seer Profitus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-12-10 19:54:40 UTC
Depends on how big of a fleet you have.

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IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#3 - 2016-12-10 20:02:37 UTC
Concord won't punish attackers in highsec?

Wanted to buy one. But I am solo player, if I can'd defend it - no sence.
Seer Profitus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-12-10 20:14:35 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Concord won't punish attackers in highsec?

Wanted to buy one. But I am solo player, if I can'd defend it - no sence.


Why is it that you want one? Why not use one of the many public ones out there?

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#5 - 2016-12-10 20:42:45 UTC
If someone declares war on you CONCORD will not intervene. With POS you had time to remove the structure and store in in a station before the war started if you didn't want to defend it. The new structures take a week to unanchor so that isn't an option.

A Raitaru with 3 service modules and 3 T1 rigs costs roughly 2.5 billion ISK and 600K ISK/hour for fuel. As a solo operator, you need to be making a massive amount of stuff to justify that investment - even if the structure was invulnerable.

You can rent offices in a public EC, some are free. You will be charged a tax which is a percentage of the job cost, which in turn is based on the system cost index which is a percentage of the base item cost. It works exactly the same in NPC stations. The NPC's charge a fixed 10% tax, the tax rate at an EC is set by the owner. An example for a job I submitted earlier today:

2016.12.10 14:22:09 Industry Facility Tax -401,314 ISK Industry facility tax between XXX and YYY
2016.12.10 14:22:08 Researching Material Efficiency -13,377,144 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between XXX and Secure Commerce Commission

The job fee goes to CCP - even if you own the EC. The facility tax goes to the owner.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#6 - 2016-12-10 20:50:22 UTC
Do Little wrote:

2016.12.10 14:22:09 Industry Facility Tax -401,314 ISK Industry facility tax between XXX and YYY
2016.12.10 14:22:08 Researching Material Efficiency -13,377,144 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between XXX and Secure Commerce Commission

The job fee goes to CCP - even if you own the EC. The facility tax goes to the owner.


No sence than!

May be I should set a POS with reprocessing aray before 13 December?

I just wanted to reprocess ore with 54% and without taxes.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-10 21:15:44 UTC
You can do whatever you want also after Dec 13th, POS aka starbases will go nowhere in the near future.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2016-12-10 22:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Do Little wrote:

2016.12.10 14:22:09 Industry Facility Tax -401,314 ISK Industry facility tax between XXX and YYY
2016.12.10 14:22:08 Researching Material Efficiency -13,377,144 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between XXX and Secure Commerce Commission

The job fee goes to CCP - even if you own the EC. The facility tax goes to the owner.


No sence than!

May be I should set a POS with reprocessing aray before 13 December?

I just wanted to reprocess ore with 54% and without taxes.


Can't get 54% in high sec at a POS. But you can get 52%, so there's that.

And as already stated, POS aren't going anywhere anytime soon. POS are not outposts. If you don't know the difference you definitely don't want to jump into an EC but you might consider a POS.

Edit: also of note, the rigs to get 54% in high sec will run you 4.8bil isk. Might as well throw them on an Astrahus at that point.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#9 - 2016-12-10 23:38:42 UTC
Bear in mind that you will have a fuel bill with a POS - 10 blocks/hour ~220K ISK at current prices. You can keep it in a station and only anchor it when needed. Reprocessing in a POS is a pain - hopper is very small!

You can get 54% at a Citadel but the owner has to pay the fuel bill so it won't be tax free.