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Amy’s Cynical Guide to Gallente Politics.

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Tristan Valentina
Moira.
#61 - 2016-12-08 22:32:22 UTC
Then your lesson is flawed. Maybe next time try approaching the students before demanding they listen to you.

Although we did learn something I suppose.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#62 - 2016-12-08 22:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Considering this thread wasn't about the Villore Assembly in the first place, where this thread has since gone is rather interesting.

Anyway, since someone asked when would we like to see VA press releases, I'll say it: When they actually manage to do something, like with the Jin-Mei civil war thing. From the first IGS post from them I really did not see any point in posting these resolutions here, especially as these requests are always geared towards the Federation senate - why parade them here at all? Particularly when you are not even asking help from us while you do it?
I've said it before, but these resolutions seem only to serve some kind of utterly useless posturing among the capsuleer community. And every time someone points this out, the VA members have flown in to incoherent rage about such accusations.

So basically, do press releases when you actually have something to release or something that you need our help with, otherwise I really see no point in showing us your resolutions especially since you're not even interested in outside help and always address the empire governments in these.

I practice what I preach - I have started and managed several projects that have rarely amounted to something worth mentioning, but if I announced every one of these projects before they've even started to bear fruit, there'd be no end to them.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#63 - 2016-12-09 00:36:35 UTC
Arrendis
TK Corp
#64 - 2016-12-09 05:56:03 UTC
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
I don't really like to get involved with drama. I also think everyone should have a voice. But if you want me to be honest, why should we believe what your talking about? Every single time I've seen you on a router, you're being excessivly lewd, taunting or teasing someone. I've never seen you talk about or doing anything with medicine. And I've seen you on the IGS and Summit about 5 times.


So you're generalizing based on a sampling even you admit is statistically nonexistant? I can verify that she's taken part in medical discussions here on multiple occasions, and she's known to be a geneticist who also performs implant surgeries.
Garion Avarr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2016-12-09 06:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Garion Avarr
And if you don't want to take her word for it for some reason, you may take mine.

Ameriya does have certain . . . eccentricities, but I have full confidence in her as a medical professional.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2016-12-09 07:24:11 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ameriya wrote:
Maybe you missed the fact where I am an actual doctor that actually practices medicine and actually treats patients?
Nor do I normally broadcast my happenings on the IGS is a vain fit of virtue signalling.


Oh my! Saucer of milk for the lady... Wait... That's more appropriate than usual.


Oooooooy cheeky bastard!

I got a chortle, won't lie.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2016-12-09 07:26:30 UTC
She's not wrong though. This is how things get done in the Federation, except this way is going out the door, yielding to the influence of the Black Eagles and their puppet FIO, who increasingly are above the law and push through whatever they want, stepping even on the campaign donors. It's sad when the vision of the Federation as a free democracy is shattered by this PAC-oriented lobbyist model, which is in turn itself naive to the direction things are moving in.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Doctor Gallento
Doctor Gallento - the Rock'n'Roll Clown
#68 - 2016-12-09 08:53:47 UTC
I've, like, been to some of these delta city clinics and boy they're grim places. But I had to drum up some publicity, so I went there for the kiddos. What's better than loving music and a bitchin clown, eh?
So we lit the place ablaze, metaphorically speaking, and the happy smiles were totally worth it.
But I guess more equipment and supplies for their slim budgets wouldn't go amiss either.

Oh, and a bit better automated security systems. My team got annoyed because we weren't allowed to bring pyrotechnics into the place, we even had to can the flamethrower guitar, but we gots us a great replacement with some kind of weird soap bubbles that almost didn't sting in the eyes.

Anyways another great idea was having some cats on board, because felines rock the house and rats are so YC 111. But apparently cats aren't allowed in hospitals either. Sad.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#69 - 2016-12-09 10:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pryce
Ameriya wrote:
Mr. Tash-Murkon, this might surprise you, but the Amarr is not the only group in the cluster that have slaves. I actually spend a lot of time dealing with slaves that were held captive by the Serpentis or Angels.

Here's a ******* horrible statistic: a sex slave has a life expectancy of about twenty-five years. How much health care do you think they actually get?


I have no idea what **** tier tryhards you have been dealing with, but a proper Angel understands the value of maintaining property and one would keep in mind that there is a wide market for mature as well.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#70 - 2016-12-09 11:29:42 UTC
Ameriya wrote:
What kind of a ****** ass doctor would withhold treatment?


A politicised one.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#71 - 2016-12-09 11:32:38 UTC
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Ameriya wrote:
Mr. Tash-Murkon, this might surprise you, but the Amarr is not the only group in the cluster that have slaves. I actually spend a lot of time dealing with slaves that were held captive by the Serpentis or Angels.

Here's a ******* horrible statistic: a sex slave has a life expectancy of about twenty-five years. How much health care do you think they actually get?


I have no idea what **** tier tryhards you have been dealing with, but a proper Angel understands the value of maintaining property and one would keep in mind that there is a wide market for mature as well.


I've dealt with enough Angel Cartel trash in my life time to say that the only good thing to come from them are their ships. Scum of the earth that should be purged with high caliber autocannon fire at every opportunity.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#72 - 2016-12-09 11:34:09 UTC
That is very rude

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#73 - 2016-12-09 15:05:40 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
That is very rude


Life's rude.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2016-12-09 16:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Arrendis wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
(and no prospect of an influx of new slaves into the population)


And yet the slavers still raid Republic worlds and outposts, flying golden ships. Heck, just last week, Mokk was trying to sell slaves in-channel, looking to Nauplius as a prospective buyer.

Don't believe the hype, Lord Tash-Murkon. The flow of new slaves continues, it just lies about existing.



Spare me the righteous indignation.

As long as the Minmatar Republic, Caldari State and Gallente Federation maintain peace accords with CONCORD and reap the benefits of a strong Amarr economy they are all morally complicit with the Amarr slave trade. If any of these governments, including CONCORD were actually against the slave trade, they would use economic, political or military means to bring the trade to an end. The most they do is make the sale illegal in specific local areas and go Tsk Tsk on occasion when the subject comes up.

An offer of sale is not an actual sale and based on many concepts of free speech I am well within my rights to promote whatever the hell I wish. I notice your concept of "freedom" ends whenever someone says something that hurts your feelings.

And for the record, Nauplius and I are both (technically) citizens of Khanid and veterans of the Royal Khanid Navy. As long as we maintain proper standings, the sale of Controlled Personnel within the Kingdom and Empire is perfectly legal, should such a transaction occur there.

If such a transaction were to take place in NullSec, the legality is a null factor as CONCORD and Imperial laws do not extend there.

So if you don't like slavery, don't own slaves. If you don't want people to have their lives controlled by other people, then you should set the example and stop trying to force people to live by your standards. If you have a problem with slavery as an institution, stop supporting governments that support that institution.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Hetu Hegirin
Doomheim
#75 - 2016-12-09 17:53:20 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
As long as the Minmatar Republic, Caldari State and Gallente Federation maintain peace accords with CONCORD and reap the benefits of a strong Amarr economy they are all morally complicit with the Amarr slave trade. If any of these governments, including CONCORD were actually against the slave trade, they would use economic, political or military means to bring the trade to an end.

Wherever I have found your people in the Heath, I have fought them. My crews and I have committed the biomass of tens of thousands of them to the frigid void. As long as Angels violate our home, we will resist them fully.

We are enemies. Yet, I cannot refute the truth in your statement.

The solution to the conundrum will not be swift, nor will it be elegant. Until such time as a lawful means of ending the trade is fabricated, Minmatar will use unlawful means to achieve that aim. It does not mean that, in the absence of such a means, we submit to slavery as a legitimate institution. Rather, we citizens must recognize our complicity and face that fact that the current determination of the Republic as CONCORD signatory is not ideal, but presently necessary. We must resolve ourselves to making right that shortfall. The framework must be transformed from within, one step at a time.

I apologize for commenting outside the thread topic, but I am compelled to speak on behalf of our organization's baseline operators.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#76 - 2016-12-09 18:13:00 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
So if you don't like slavery, don't own slaves. If you don't want people to have their lives controlled by other people, then you should set the example and stop trying to force people to live by your standards. If you have a problem with slavery as an institution, stop supporting governments that support that institution.


Or, as one nullsec resident to another, living where you say CONCORD's authority means nothing, I could just cart you off for a few years of carefully non-fatal torture, while paying off the right med-techs to get your cloning data transferred over to someplace more convenient to allow it to continue through multiple incarnations.

I mean, if I was that kind of psychopath. Happily, I'm not. Instead, I'll simply point out with regard to this:

Quote:

An offer of sale is not an actual sale and based on many concepts of free speech I am well within my rights to promote whatever the hell I wish. I notice your concept of "freedom" ends whenever someone says something that hurts your feelings.


Unlike many others involved in the discussion, at no point did I tell you not to say whatever you liked during your search for a buyer. Nor did I even presume to try to talk you out of it—and in fact, I passed your message along to Nauplius when he did show up. So you can take your pathetic little attempt to play the victim and blow it out your ear.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2016-12-09 19:12:55 UTC
Hetu Hegirin wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
As long as the Minmatar Republic, Caldari State and Gallente Federation maintain peace accords with CONCORD and reap the benefits of a strong Amarr economy they are all morally complicit with the Amarr slave trade. If any of these governments, including CONCORD were actually against the slave trade, they would use economic, political or military means to bring the trade to an end.

Wherever I have found your people in the Heath, I have fought them. My crews and I have committed the biomass of tens of thousands of them to the frigid void. As long as Angels violate our home, we will resist them fully.

We are enemies. Yet, I cannot refute the truth in your statement.

The solution to the conundrum will not be swift, nor will it be elegant. Until such time as a lawful means of ending the trade is fabricated, Minmatar will use unlawful means to achieve that aim. It does not mean that, in the absence of such a means, we submit to slavery as a legitimate institution. Rather, we citizens must recognize our complicity and face that fact that the current determination of the Republic as CONCORD signatory is not ideal, but presently necessary. We must resolve ourselves to making right that shortfall. The framework must be transformed from within, one step at a time.

I apologize for commenting outside the thread topic, but I am compelled to speak on behalf of our organization's baseline operators.




I will simply invite you to research the origins of the Angel Cartel. Who started it, when, and why?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2016-12-09 19:24:02 UTC
Arrendis wrote:


Or, as one nullsec resident to another, living where you say CONCORD's authority means nothing, I could just cart you off for a few years of carefully non-fatal torture, while paying off the right med-techs to get your cloning data transferred over to someplace more convenient to allow it to continue through multiple incarnations.




That's the spirit!

You could. That's the thing.

A long time ago, there was a lot more of a push towards creating Anarchistic and anti-government societies in NullSec. The IGS would flood with walls of text on how these societies could be created and what customs, if not laws would carry over.

A decade or so later and we've seen this happen. The NullSec alliances, for all their faults, have laid the foundations for the ultimate expressions of a 'free society."

Back in Imperial space, to refer to the OP, "There’s only muck and the making of sausage."

In your part of space, is there slavery?


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#79 - 2016-12-09 19:46:57 UTC
I can't help but feel like the Angel arguing would best be suited and discussed in a separate thread.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#80 - 2016-12-09 21:49:27 UTC
Ameriya wrote:

What kind of a ****** ass doctor would withhold treatment?


Also, one with limited resources. You've never done triage in a hospital ? deciding who lives and who dies, based on available resources ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.